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Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by rahimnathwani on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:05PM (#41906111)
The word 'amateur' originates from the Latin word for 'lover'.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by zanellato19 on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:13PM (#41906177)
Thank you! I've been using this word in portuguese (amador) and its so _so_ clear in that language, even so, I hadn't realized. Amar -> Amador (the one who loves it). Quite clearly.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by bombcar on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:23PM (#41906263)
Exactly, and "professional" means they do it for money.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by otherme123 on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:33PM (#41906357)
The point is that "amateur" means literally "lover" in latin. While "professional" means "for money" today, in latin it meant "to profess a vow to do it with high standards".

For example, you can be a professional, but do things "pro bono" (for free or for public good) or "pro lucro" (for money).

Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by Archelaos on Monday October 21, 2024 @03:03PM (#41907275)
"Doing something was a high standard" is still the main meaning of the word "professionell" in German. So someone can make something "unprofessionell" for money or "professionell" without payment.

Another word of classical origin with a striking difference is the meaning of the word "pathetisch" in German, which means "(exaggeratedly) passionate", which corresponds more or less to the meaning of the Ancient Greek word "pathetikos".

Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by retrac on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:36PM (#41906384)
"Vocation" has undergone a similar shift; originally it meant a calling, or a summons.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by RandomThoughts3 on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:43PM (#41906456)
It still does.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by thrwaway1337 on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:56PM (#41906592)
Just don't go looking for the etymology of "vanilla"
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by thaumasiotes on Monday October 21, 2024 @10:50PM (#41910735)
> The point is that "amateur" means literally "lover" in latin.

It doesn't mean anything in Latin. It means "lover" in French. Possibly a version of French from before "love" changed to "aimer".

Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by echelon on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:35PM (#41906375)
But amateur has taken on a negative connotation in the common vernacular.

"Amateurish" or "amateurishly" feel damning and assertions about a certain absence of quality or attention to detail.

Describing someone as a "total amateur" feels a bit like calling them a hack.

This needs a separate word or concept.

Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by idiotlogical on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:46PM (#41906480)
The term 'nerd' needs to complete its rehabilitation like 'geek' has the last 20 years. It's the most concise term I can think of when describing someone who is enthusiastic, focused, and knowledgable on a subject. I think it's a badge of honor
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by PsylentKnight on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:21PM (#41906858)
There's "aficionado", though that feels a little pretentious
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by adamc on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:36PM (#41906387)
We could try reclaiming the word.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by RandomThoughts3 on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:45PM (#41906471)
Dilletante already exists to mean someone who doesn’t do something with seriousness and amateur doesn’t carry the same connotation as amateurish anyway so you don’t really need a new word.
Re:Dracula author's lost story unearthed after 134 years by Dilettante_ on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @07:42AM (#41913307)
Nit: It's "Dilettante"