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Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by n4r9 on Sunday October 20, 2024 @06:13PM (#41898921)
Asking if a single-celled organism is conscious kind of feels like asking whether quantum theory is statically typed. Like applying a descriptor from one category to objects in another.
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by HeuristicsCG on Sunday October 20, 2024 @06:33PM (#41899053)
it's commonplace to hold the opinion that an individual particle is slightly conscious
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by ronjobber on Sunday October 20, 2024 @06:40PM (#41899078)
This is a thing... but it is certainly not commonplace.
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by HeuristicsCG on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:40AM (#41901293)
In philosophy of mind it's not something that would raise an eyebrow
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by n4r9 on Monday October 21, 2024 @04:47AM (#41902002)
Are you referring to pansychism? I don't get the impression that it's very popular these days.

> There are few explicit defenders of panpsychism at the present time. The most prominent are David Griffin, Gregg Rosenberg, David Skrbina and Timothy Sprigge.

https://plato.stanford.edu/ARCHIVES/WIN2009/entries/panpsych...

Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by CalRobert on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:45AM (#41900998)
But that’s my point! When was it conscious? A million cells? A billion?
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by n4r9 on Monday October 21, 2024 @06:03AM (#41902482)
My hunch is that consciousness will come to be described in terms of information processing systems, rather than the biological substrate on which they run. Systems with certain properties - possibly including a sufficiently complex model of the environment, model of the self, and a continuously updating internal narrative - may be said to possess a level of consciousness. I'm not a biologist and I appreciate that the above is somewhat vague, but I wouldn't say that sperm or egg cells have the above.
Re:Phenomenal consciousness is alien to us: SETI and the Fer... by Teever on Monday October 21, 2024 @08:28AM (#41903430)
It's the problem of heaps[0] and I think you'll find Michael Levin's fascinating perspective[1] on this topic to be very interesting

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

[1] https://youtu.be/e5GDnD_WA2Q?si=QQfWr3HsHQarhk-H