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Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by crote on Saturday October 19, 2024 @07:16PM (#41891559)
The main issue is switches, really. 5Gbps USB NICs are available for $30 on Amazon, or $20 on AliExpress. 10Gbps NICS are $60, so not exactly crazy expensive either.

But switches haven't really kept up. A simple unmanaged 5-port or 8-port 2.5GigE isn't too bad, but anything beyond that gets tricky. 5GigE switches don't seem to exist, and you're already paying $500 for a budget-brand 10GigE switch with basic VLAN support. You want PoE? Forget it.

The irony is that at 10Gbps fiber suddenly becomes quite attractive. A brand-new SFP+ NIC can be found for $30, with DACs only $5 (per side) and transceivers $30 or so. You can get an actually-decent switch from Mikrotik for less than $300.

Heck, you can even get brand-new dualport SFP28 NICs for $100, or as little as $25 on Ebay! Switch-wise you can get 16 ports of 25Gbps out of a $800 Mikrotik switch: not exactly cheap, but definitely within range for a very enthusiastic homelabber.

The only issue is that wiring your home for fiber is stupidly expensive, and you can't exactly use it to power access points either.

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by maccard on Saturday October 19, 2024 @08:42PM (#41891984)
> The only issue is that wiring your home for fiber is stupidly expensive

What do you mean by that? My home isnt wired for ethernet. I can buy 30m of CAT6 cable for £7, or 30m of fibre for £17. For a home use, that's a decent amount of cable, and even spending £100 on cabling will likely run cables to even the biggest of houses.

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by hakfoo on Saturday October 19, 2024 @11:22PM (#41892627)
Isn't the expensive part more the assembly aspect? For Cat 6 the plugs and keystone jacks add up to a few dollars per port, and the crimper is like $20. I understand building your own fibre cables-- if you don't want to thread them through walls without the heads pre-attached, for example-- involves more sophisticated glass-fusion tools that are fairly expensive.

A rental service might help there, or a call-in service-- the 6 hours of drilling holes and pulling fibre can be done by yourself, and once it's all cut to rough length, bring out a guy who can fuse on 10 plugs in an hour for $150.

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 20, 2024 @12:57AM (#41892963)
If you particularly want to use a raw spool, then yes that's an annoying cost. If you buy premade cables for an extra $5 each then it's fine.
Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by hakfoo on Sunday October 20, 2024 @01:57AM (#41893210)
A practical drawback to premade cables is the need for a larger hole to accommodate the pre-attached connector. There's also a larger gap that needs to be plugged around the cable to prevent leaks into he wall.

My ordinary home-centre electric drill and an affordable ~7mm masonry bit lets me drill a hole in stucco large enough to accept bare cables with a very narrow gap to worry about.

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by inferiorhuman on Sunday October 20, 2024 @02:23AM (#41893331)
Where are you finding them for that cheap? OP is talking about 20GBP for a run of fiber. If I look at, for instance, Ubiquiti their direct attach cables start at $13 for 0.5 meter cables.
Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 20, 2024 @02:59AM (#41893480)
I was looking at patch cables. Ubiquiti's start at $4.80
Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by inferiorhuman on Thursday October 24, 2024 @10:46PM (#41941798)
Right you're still going to need a module at each end, that's what really drives up the cost compared twisted copper pair. That means either direct attach cables (starting at $13 for a half meter) or standalone modules (starting at $38 for a pair of 10G modules).
Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by Dylan16807 on Friday October 25, 2024 @02:55PM (#41948444)
But that also applies to a spool of fiber, and I was talking about the specific cost difference between fusing and premade.

The price of modules was built into the first post mentioning fiber up here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891559

The worry was that the actual fiber would be "stupid expensive", and nah it's fine.

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by chgs on Sunday October 20, 2024 @04:24AM (#41893860)
My single mode keystones pass through were about the same price as cat5, and pre-made cables were no harder to run than un terminated cat5.
Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by maccard on Sunday October 20, 2024 @05:55AM (#41894283)
Thanks - I genuinely didn't know. I assumed that you could "just" crimp it like CAT6, but a quick google leads me to spending quite a few hundred pounds on something like this[0].

That said;

> A rental service might help there, or a call-in service-- the 6 hours of drilling holes and pulling fibre can be done by yourself, and once it's all cut to rough length, bring out a guy who can fuse on 10 plugs in an hour for $150.

If you were paying someone to do it (rather than DIY) I'd wager the cost would be similar, as you're paying them for 6 hours of labour either way.

[0] https://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/fibre-optic-tool-kits-accessor...

Re:QUIC Is Not Quick Enough over Fast Internet by spockz on Saturday October 19, 2024 @11:08PM (#41892578)
Apparently there is the https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/us-xg-6poe from Ubiquity. It only has 4 10GbE ports but they all have PoE.