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Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by fny on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:39AM (#41885685)
First, there are cheap alternatives (antibiotics) which limit the total market size.

Second, it’s almost tautological. If there was enough profit to justify the development time and cost, drug companies would pursue a vaccine. Since they’re not pursuing a vaccine, you can assume there’s not enough estimated profit compared to other research ventures.

The second point includes considerations of difficulty. There are many strep strains. Strep can trigger autoimmune diseases. Will the costs of surmounting these challenges be rewarded above other pursuits?

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by dragonwriter on Saturday October 19, 2024 @02:03AM (#41885943)
> Second, it’s almost tautological. If there was enough profit to justify the development time and cost, drug companies would pursue a vaccine.

No, that's not "almost tautological". In fact, it is a form of the appeal to tradition fallacy. (LIt is tautological -- as are many applications of that fallacy -- if you take the assumptions underpinning rational choice theory as axioms, but it stops being such once you drop the perfect information assumption.)

Your reframing of it in the next sentence subtly acknowledges this, when you shift from "if there was enough profit" to "there’s not enough estimated profit", despite that you are responding to a post that explicitly is arguing that the estimate made of the profit is dubious.

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by log_e on Saturday October 19, 2024 @01:13AM (#41885786)
You realize tautology is a logical fallacy, right?
Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by auggierose on Saturday October 19, 2024 @03:56AM (#41886364)
It is not. It is actually quite the opposite.
Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by schrodinger on Saturday October 19, 2024 @01:49AM (#41885893)
It's like saying "A beginner is new to a subject." That's tautological since the definition of beginner implies being new to a subject.

Those aren't logical fallacies; they're just not very useful.

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by pdonis on Saturday October 19, 2024 @01:16AM (#41885799)
Huh? A tautology is a statement that is automatically true by the laws of logic.
Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by maxbond on Saturday October 19, 2024 @01:40AM (#41885867)
GP is correct that the argument contains an informal fallacy[1], and people often express this criticism by saying "your argument is tautological," and you are correct that a tautology is a statement which is always true [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic)

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by pdonis on Saturday October 19, 2024 @07:37PM (#41891683)
> GP is correct that the argument contains an informal fallacy

The GP didn't say that.

As for which informal fallacy the GGP's argument contained, I would say it was more like a false dilemma. And the GGP did say "almost tautological", which implicitly recognizes that there might be other possibilities.

> people often express this criticism by saying "your argument is tautological,"

I have never seen this (nonsensical) way of expressing the criticism that an argument is false by saying that it is tautological (and therefore true).

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by maxbond on Saturday October 19, 2024 @08:23PM (#41891910)
The point is that it's an overloaded term, which makes it easy to talk past each other.

If you wish to see usages like I described, have a look here.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by pfdietz on Monday October 21, 2024 @08:36AM (#41903497)
The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club.

https://xkcd.com/703/

Re:Strep A kills half a million per year; why don't we have ... by zaptrem on Saturday October 19, 2024 @04:49AM (#41886570)
Even with antibiotics strep really sucks for kids (painful!) and parents (kid needs to stay home from school). Seems like there would be obvious demand. The article says the FDA banned testing for like 40 years due to a tiny issue during a trial in the late 20th century.