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Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by casenmgreen on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:37PM (#41874520)
> Employers should have to prove they were not able to find a U.S. citizen who can do the job before they're allowed to hire someone that needs a work permit.

Why?

It's their money and their business.

What business do you or I have in forcing upon them what they can do? any more than they would have any business forcing themselves upon us?

Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by null0pointer on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:53PM (#41875016)
I'm not a US citizen, but you might find that most US citizens would prefer their government to prioritize the interests of US citizens over foreign nationals. Just as I would expect my home country's government to prioritize the interests of its citizens over foreigners.
Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by casenmgreen on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:09AM (#41877600)
> interests of US citizens

The people who own businesses are US citizens.

Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by confidantlake on Friday October 18, 2024 @09:25AM (#41879245)
There are a lot more US workers than there are US business owners.
Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by realityfactchex on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:36PM (#41874919)
> Why?

AFAICT, the parent answered that with "This whole system...puts U.S. citizens out of work." (Whether that's actually true or not, I'm not entirely certain, but the argument could definitely be made, and, in all likelihood, convincingly.)

> What business do you or I have in forcing upon them what they can do? any more than they would have any business forcing themselves upon us?

Presumably, it's people's business because the US is basically a nation governed by the people who see it as their responsibility to help ensure their basic values (peace, prosperity, life, freedom, justice, pursuit of happiness, etc.). So, when there's regulation that affects the people, it actually is their business.

Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by casenmgreen on Friday October 18, 2024 @08:16AM (#41878678)
> "This whole system...puts U.S. citizens out of work." (Whether that's actually true or not, I'm not entirely certain, but the argument could definitely be made, and, in all likelihood, convincingly.)

If bringing people from outside the USA into the USA puts people out of work, doesn't having children also put people out of work?

Re:I'm Peter Roberts who does work for YC and startups. AMA by scubadude on Thursday October 17, 2024 @08:49PM (#41875342)
> What business do you or I have in forcing upon them what they can do?

It's called regulation and we do it all the time.