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Re:Reflections on Palantir by soulofmischief on Thursday October 17, 2024 @09:44AM (#41869609)
Surely you have the capability of making a distinction between doctrine established for hierarchical control and a teaching a basic system of deriving ethics or morality, with the exact intention of preventing such hierarchical control within an industry that has the power to make any extreme institutional system a reality. You've seen the effects of a generation of social media technologies and how it compared to the previous generation of internet communication such as BBS, forums, etc.

I assume you've lived long enough to witness an internet stewarded by those who place ethics or morality above purely capitalistic motivation, vs. an internet stewarded by a generation of new-age, fake-ethical "They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks" tech entrepreneurs.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by deltarholamda on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:45AM (#41870158)
The post I was replying to explicitly said we couldn't leave the teaching of things like ethics and morality up to parents. That's a priestly caste.

It's all well and good to say that your chosen priest caste won't exert hierarchical control, pinky swear, but history and human nature disagrees with you.

It's also odd to suggest that we can teach a system of deriving ethics or morality. Philosophers have been hard at work on this for a long time and haven't gotten terribly far, and they disagree with each other quite strenuously.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by moolcool on Thursday October 17, 2024 @11:29AM (#41870569)
Have you taken a university level ethics course before?

They teach the different ethical frameworks, where they come from, and then get you to apply them to different situations. The classes don't tell you what's right and what's wrong, but rather, the different frameworks people can use to determine that.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by next_xibalba on Thursday October 17, 2024 @02:15PM (#41872154)
SBF's mom is a legal ethicist at Stanford. Beyond her son, how many others has she mis-educated? Or, perhaps, a semester or two of ethics is insufficient and thus a waste of time and money?
Re:Reflections on Palantir by soulofmischief on Friday October 18, 2024 @10:27AM (#41879774)
Evidence of individual corruption is not an indication that we should not teach ethics altogether. This is why ethics need to be taught, so that people are better equipped to weed out bad actors.

That said, who did SBF largely derive his ethics from? His parents, at home, not at his mom's lectures. So all this does is illuminate why it's important for people to get exposed to a wider variety of opinions and ethical considerations.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by deltarholamda on Thursday October 17, 2024 @04:47PM (#41873612)
Is it required that you attend a university-level ethics course to learn how to apply ethical frameworks? Very ecclesiastical. But it would explain why we can't leave this sort of thing to the laity of parents.

In any event, the poster I replied to also included "morality" alongside "ethics", which is why I suggest it's not as cut and dried as you imply.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by moolcool on Friday October 18, 2024 @08:49AM (#41878945)
It's important because ethics is a really complicated subject built on thousands of years of study and thought. It's worthy of being taught by an actual scholar who dedicated their life to understanding the field.

Parents can teach right and wrong, but they seldom teach about things like utilitarianism or hedonic treadmills.