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Re:Living outside America by sneak on Sunday July 01, 2012 @08:09PM (#4186598)
> There are plenty of specific areas where other countries are better than the US, but no single country which is enough better on enough things to be a serious competitor.

Germany. Better education, better attitude, more open-minded, less harassment for being weird/nonstandard, median level of critical thinking ability, healthier food, better transport, more cultural things to do/see, better solutions to the growing underclass problem you described elsewhere.

There are tons of hacker-mindset people here (it's something in the water, I swear), and while there are lots of annoying hoops to jump through in the entrepreneurial arena, the general quality of life is vastly improved over the US in almost every meaningful day-to-day way. Economically the differences have already been done to death.

The US is coasting, and I believe it will implode financially within our lifetimes.

Re:Living outside America by rdl on Sunday July 01, 2012 @08:26PM (#4186642)
I haven't lived in Germany (I've visited for maybe 3 weeks total), and in terms of quality of life, it wasn't that different from the US, at least for the things you see as a short-term tourist. Lots of stuff was more expensive (vs. SF baseline), and rural Germany around 2000 was pretty undeveloped, but Berlin would be more representative.

I'm also using SFBA, NY, Boston, Seattle as exemplars of the US. I'd rather live in London than New Mexico, but there are parts of the UK worse than New Mexico, too. (amazingly. I didn't know this until living in the UK.)

US universities are stronger than German universities, at least in commercialization, graduate studies, etc. K-12 could go either way; Baltimore public schools are worse than what I assume are the worst German schools, but Palo Alto, Stuy, etc. might be better (at least I don't know of anything comparable in Germany).

Re:Living outside America by mc32 on Monday July 02, 2012 @02:18AM (#4187602)
W/re UK. Chris Kipllip did a photo documentary called "In Flagrante". NE England in the 80's (not sure about now) was a depressed place to be.
Re:Living outside America by waterlesscloud on Monday July 02, 2012 @02:28AM (#4187620)
The movies of Andrea Arnold were revealing in a certain way. "Red Road" and "Fish Tank", as well as her short film "Wasp". All set in the world of UK council estates(like US housing projects). A poor underclass with many of the same features as the poor underclass in the US.

Great films, worth watching.

You can see Wasp, which won an Oscar for best short film, here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aJjj8v3xVs

Trailer for Fish Tank, featuring Michael Fassbender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1yMOdjyp0

Re:Living outside America by nicholassmith on Monday July 02, 2012 @10:58AM (#4189124)
NE England is an interesting topic (I've lived here all my life), areas still are very depressed with some of the highest unemployment levels in the UK, married off to a rapid decline in our traditional industries of chemical & steel production.

Oddly we also seem to be developing one of the better tech hubs outside of London in Newcastle, so the rise of technology could see things improve.

Re:Living outside America by mc32 on Monday July 02, 2012 @11:30AM (#4189256)
Edit, misspelling. The photographer's name is Chris Killip, the book is out of print, but Available on Amazon as a Bookb on Books. He has others about depressed areas in England/UK.
Re:Living outside America by Locke1689 on Sunday July 01, 2012 @08:47PM (#4186692)
The US is coasting, and I believe it will implode financially within our lifetimes.

Given the European financial crisis, this seems misplaced. Not to say that there will not be a financial collapse, but only if there is one it will be world-wide and the US will not be the worst off of the Western nations.

Re:Living outside America by mc32 on Monday July 02, 2012 @02:15AM (#4187597)
Germany does not have the population (and the pop is getting older, but not as fast as Japan's).

The contenders are: China, India (a unified Europe -but age is a problem). Russia is borderline has tremendous resources, but lacks the population and suffers from a paternalistic state (very tsarist in modern clothes).

Plus, Germany depends on foreign demand. When the world economy tanks, German economy tanks because there isn't enough internal consumption to pick up the slack --just as in Japan.

Re:Living outside America by thetrb on Monday July 09, 2012 @08:14PM (#4221303)
I'm a German citizen living in the United States (SF Bay Area) since 5 years now and I think your post is completely overstating Germany.

Better education - Kind of, although most of the top universities are still in the US.

Better attitude - Nope, not in my opinion

More open-minded - Nope, not in my opinion

Less harassment for being weird/nonstandard - Nope, not in my opinion

Healthier food - Yes, I agree on that

Better transport - Yes

More cultural things to do/see - Always depends on the area and there's enough to see in the SF Bay Area

Better solutions to the growing underclass problem - I only partially agree here. There's a reason why the Euro is on the decline in the last couple of months. Europe has many problems still to solve. Of course, the US also has many problems, that's why I partially agree.