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Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by warkdarrior on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @02:25PM (#41862124)
OK, so you gave two examples of systems that do NOT enforce attestation (one that is not in production, one that has an option to enforce attestation but is not apparently in use).

Are there any widely-used sites that actually enforce attestation?

Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by 9dev on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:23PM (#41863455)
It’s absurd, really. Attestation is clearly a feature intended for high security environments, where you want to ensure all employees use their corporate hardware authenticators and those only, yet people act like it’s big techs secret, evil mind control back door.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by jeltz on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:56PM (#41863784)
What is absurd about expecting companies to do what many internet banks in some countries already do?
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by 9dev on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:00AM (#41868034)
As a sibling comment explains, attestation isn't processed by common web browsers unless explicitly configured. Your bank can require attestation from you and limit you to a number of supported authenticators... But I don't quite see what that would get them, other than loosing customers? And to what end, to foster ecosystem lockin on behalf of Apple or Google? It doesn't make any sense. Hence: absurd.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by ndriscoll on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:52PM (#41863756)
If it's only meant to be used for those environments, then attestation data should not be provided by default. IT can enable it on managed devices.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by growse on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @06:25PM (#41864466)
It's up to the provider as to whether they provide or not. I don't think there's a "default"?

I seem to remember that apple specifically don't provide attestation details on their implementation.

Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by ndriscoll on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @09:05PM (#41865455)
Non-default as in browsers should not provide any attestation information unless configured to via a setting in about:config (which can be automatically enabled by IT on a managed device), and mobile OSes should not provide attestation info to apps unless configured via some similarly buried setting that MDM can enable.

Basically put it there for nerds and IT where the device owner wants that extra security and coordinates with (or is) the service provider to set it up. For everyday use, it should be unavailable so that it's not used for lockin.

Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by growse on Thursday October 17, 2024 @03:40AM (#41867301)
Browsers should follow the spec.

Whether or not attestation data is passed onto the browser is a decision the passkey provider can make.

Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by hooverd on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:45PM (#41863684)
Given the chance, why wouldn't companies abuse that feature like every single anti-user feature in the history of them? Surely this time it will be different?
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by 9dev on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:58PM (#41863801)
Because it’s highly annoying to set up in a way that doesn’t massively inflate your support cost.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by jeltz on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @06:36PM (#41864556)
This has not stopped banks in the past.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by growse on Thursday October 17, 2024 @03:38AM (#41867296)
The regulatory universe that banks operate in means that they're not like other companies. They don't share the same overall incentives, and aren't a useful point of comparison.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by ndriscoll on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:18PM (#41863405)
People already do have issues with e.g. banking apps on mobile devices requiring OS attestation, so we can expect that once they know they can do the same for the most of their web clients (so probably once most people have moved onto Windows 11 which requires a TPM), they will.
Re:FIDO Alliance publishes new spec to let users move Passke... by hurutparittya on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @08:46PM (#41865361)
It's only a matter of time when it's this easy. Some essential service, most likely a bank, will inevitably turn it on in the future. And it only takes one of those to make all freedom respecting providers non-viable for someone. For our safety, of course. :)