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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by mixmastamyk on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @10:44PM (#41855109)
Yes, margin can be dangerous at times and is not that cheap. About 6% over fed rates, or 11-13% right now. Over $500k you'll probably get a better deal.
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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by taxman22 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @10:53PM (#41855148)
Schwab Pledge Asset Line (PAL) is SOFR + (2.40% to 4.4%). SOFR today is 4.81%.
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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by TMWNN on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:10PM (#41855227)
Is Schwab known for being unusually low with its rate for this product? Vanguard is 11-13%, consistent with what mixmastamyk said. <https://investor.vanguard.com/client-benefits/margin?msockid...>

In any case, my Amex line of credit charges 6%, and I am preapproved for an Amex personal loan for 8.98%. I presume others on HN can get comparable or better.

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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @12:36AM (#41855640)
> Is Schwab known for being unusually low with its rate for this product?

The Schwab rate sounds high. Fidelity, for instance, charges SOFR + 190 to 310bps [1]. I haven't had an SBLOC for a few years, but I remember Stifel charging no more than 200 bps over Libor.

[1] https://www.fidelity.com/lending/securities-backed-line-of-c...

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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by mixmastamyk on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @12:38AM (#41855651)
8ish percent is good but not fantastic, after years of mortgages lower than that.
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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by TMWNN on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:08PM (#41855220)
What taxman22 says makes me wish I kept my holdings in my Schwab account. (I guess there is nothing stopping me from doing an asset transfer.)

But I agree with you about margin borrowing's interest rate not being that amazing, although it is of course cheaper than most credit cards. Vanguard is, as you said, 11-13%. <https://investor.vanguard.com/client-benefits/margin?msockid...> By contrast, my Amex line of credit charges 6%, and I am preapproved for an Amex personal loan for 8.98%. I presume others on HN can get comparable or better.

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Re:The richest people borrow against their stock (2021) by ywvcbk on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @03:38AM (#41856544)
It’s like people complaining about savings accounts with 0.5% interest rates. Just switch to a different broker…

IBKR is +0.5% at >$200k (It starts at +1.5%)

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