Yup. This is what I see missing from all the non-parents or parents of kids under 10 on HN. Once middle school hits their whole friend/support system is probably on SnapChat and if you're not on there, you're instantly excluded from everything.

Imagine growing up without a phone in the 90s. That’s what these Luddite patents are advocating. It’s hard.

We actually have banned social media until 16, but fortunately iMessage was the defacto coordination and we accepted that.

No TikTok until adults, for a host of reasons.

Same here. Hard no on YouTube and TikTok. Sadly everything happens on SnapChat in their friend groups and SnapChat has a terrible TikTok style feed that I wish to god I could disable somehow. It adds nothing to the experience for actually socializing with one's friends group and is simply designed for mindless scrolling and consumption. I hate it.

But it's via the messaging component of a social media site, which is fine by itself. Nice how FB Messenger is its own app.