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Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by stcredzero on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:27PM (#4183143)
SSDs bring a different set of assumptions to the table than spinning hard drives. What would an OS designed from the ground up in the world of SSDs and the cloud look like?
Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by spamizbad on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:47PM (#4183193)
SSDs are fast, but they're still orders of magnitude slower than RAM in terms of latency. Keep in mind, back in the day, the spread between dram and spinning disks wasnt as bad as it is today.

The next great performance challenge may be the so-called "memory wall" wrt the performance of CPUs vs the performance of RAM. Id be curious to see what that would do to performance if it underwent the same dramatic improvement as nonvolatile storage.

Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by reitzensteinm on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:01PM (#4183224)
We may actually see them both happening at once; one of the things R. Stanley Williams talks about in his excellent memristor talk is a method they developed for stacking hundreds of chips on top of a processor, which he says may end up providing just as much benefit as the memristor itself.

The possibilities that could be opened up by having a terabyte or more of extremely fast non volatile storage attached by a bus as large as you care to make it directly on top of a CPU are mind boggling.

Then when you consider that you can use them as FPGAs for computation instead and dynamically reconfigure them... wow.

Memristors are only a year or two away from commercial availability, though it will probably be a while after that until they live up to the hype. We live in exciting times.

The talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGhvKyjgLY

Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by polshaw on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:08PM (#4183242)
FWIW, although it is no doubt not an apples/apples comparison[1], todays faster SSDs (~500MB/s) have roughly the same bandwidth as pentium-era PC-66 ram, while todays faster DDR3 is >12GB/s (which i guess doubles with dual channel). So its not 100% crazy.

1. no doubt latency etc are much better for RAM.

Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by mathgladiator on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:33PM (#4183165)
> What would an OS designed from the ground up

I wager it would look mostly the same. The reason I say this is because there would still be a distinction between the CPU's memory, the system memory, and then "disk". So long as the IO hierarchy exists, I wager the OS design would more or less be the same.

Now, when memristors come about which have compute+massive memory, then we will need a new OS.

Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by sliverstorm on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:44PM (#4183185)
Agreed on the first part; SSD is still orders of magnitude slower than RAM, which is really what matters in the distinction between memory and storage, from a computing point of view. The rest is just implementation details (SSD has wear leveling, HDD has park and resume, etc)
Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by kdsudac on Sunday July 01, 2012 @01:21AM (#4183937)
I wonder what it would cost?

Amazon S3 pricing starts at $0.125 per GB per month. So if you just want to store an extra 500 GB that's gonna run $62.50 per month on a HDD!

Given SSDs are 5-10X more expensive who would be willing to pay $300-$600 per month?

Serious question: Any S3 users out there who would pay 5X as much for better performance? If so, what are you working on?

Re:SSDs cost half of what they did in 2011 by tylerhobbs on Sunday July 01, 2012 @03:17AM (#4184107)
S3 isn't where the SSDs will go, it's the EC2 instances. Many, many, people would pay those numbers for local, dedicated SSDs when their instance is running a database.