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Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by hackernewds on Sunday October 13, 2024 @04:25PM (#41831268)
A very loaded and weird take comparing tibetan culture to the worst denominator of cannibalism, scientology and brainwashing. We have much to learn from Eastern wisdom as we already find with TCM, meditation, Ayurveda and yoga to mention a few.
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by anthk on Sunday October 13, 2024 @04:32PM (#41831329)
Read about what kind of tortures the lamas brought to serfs and slaves. Beware, because it's highly NSFW. And I don't support the CCCP in any case, but Tibet wasn't Disneyland as HNers believe.

If the only problem the previous commenter stated was just some kind of a cult, well, if woudn't be half-bad. But upon reading about the Tibet and basically the Asian Inquisition (not the Spanish one, but the actual witch-burning one from Central Europe), you will see the Tibet in a very different way.

Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by cosignal on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:27PM (#41831771)
You're definitely bringing up issues that are worth consideration. The low-resolution view of Tibet that is/has been popular among (usually liberal, middle-to-upper class) Westerners following a kinda Buddhism-lite trend is that it was actually Shambhala/Shangri-la. You can see how gorgeous parts of Tibet are by looking up photos, and the assumption is that society there was as beautiful as the landscapes and thangka paintings.

But in fact Tibet was in many ways just about as far from Disneyland as can be conceived. Even by the early 20th century, it was a medieval-esque serfdom and theocracy. It doesn't matter how technical or philosophical someone gets about how Buddhism is non-theistic and Vajrayana is some kind of system of applied psychology, the fact is that powerful lamas were viewed as actual gods and, like a caste system, the underprivileged were regarded as deserving of their lot due to karma. There was a centuries-in-the-making ingrained resistance to outside ideas throughout the region, and those which would include things like modernity and human rights. While the rest of the world was getting stuff like penicillin and effective surgery, the stranglehold that the monastic institutions had on the education-deprived Tibetans prevented any meaningful cross-border dialogue.

All that being said, the CCP was not (and China still is not) some kind of bastion of human rights and openness to ideas. The People's Army would have never been so much as scratched by whatever barely passed for Tibetan soldiers, so they arguably did not need to be nearly so heavy-handed. Assuming it's actually anyone's legitimate responsibility to 'liberate' that place, I suppose that some 'force' might've been required to crack the nut of that massively insular Tibetan world, but there's no way that it was necessary to engage in ethnic cleansing and erasure.

In a parallel universe, the world of Tibet could have been introduced to modernity without being placed under the thumb of the Chinese monolith. So I guess I'm just trying to provide a balanced perspective.

Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by ninetyninenine on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:08PM (#41831607)
Agreed. I was very mild in my criticism.
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by morkalork on Sunday October 13, 2024 @04:27PM (#41831292)
Well, hopefully your preferred beliefs and way of life stay in favor with the majority, otherwise it could get awkward. In the case they do not, perhaps you can reflect upon your comment here and reassure yourself that your persecution is not unjustified.
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by ninetyninenine on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:01PM (#41831559)
Not so clear. Should cultures who beliefs include jihad and war be persecuted in the name of safety or should we allow freedom of religion including those that involve cannibalism?
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by blackeyeblitzar on Sunday October 13, 2024 @04:46PM (#41831442)
China’s fight against religion and culture is about control. This is due to their modern support of Communism, which tries to eliminate every threat to its ideology (it cannot survive otherwise). That’s why texts on Communism and Socialism often call for the elimination of religion, family structures, etc. It’s not about fighting a “cult” for some virtuous reason. If anything, authoritarianism and Communism are cults, and the Chinese version was visible clearly in the cultural revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Olds). I’d also note that the absence of religion isn’t cult-free, and there are many cultish movements in the world even from non-religious parts of the world.

From the Chinese perspective pre-Communism, there would be no issue with Tibetan culture. But even if there were, it isn’t for them to care about or interfere with right?

As for your other comparisons. I don’t see cannibalism or Islamic fundamentalism (Jihad) as being comparable to Tibetan culture. Islam has explicit calls for violence against other belief systems. Tibetan culture does not. I can see treating Islam as a threat because of what it states openly, but it would be weird to group that with Tibetan culture, whether before or after Buddhism.

Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by ninetyninenine on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:05PM (#41831579)
I'm chinese. And part tibetan.

>Tibetan culture does not.

This is not true. The Chinese view tibetan culture as if it was scientology. There is a lot of evidence of injustices and really cult like backwards practices arising from the culture.

Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by wslh on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:53PM (#41831999)
Could you please elaborate?
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by ninetyninenine on Sunday October 13, 2024 @06:28PM (#41832265)
Re:Making the Tibetan language a first-class citizen in the ... by anthk on Sunday October 13, 2024 @06:21PM (#41832202)
The Four Old motto died with Deng XIaoping. And, on family values... you would be surprised on how conservative the Chinese, Romanian and Soviet (Stalin era) were.