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Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by V__ on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:04PM (#41822561)
> already substantial subsidies for the rail industry

Though to be fair, there are also substantial subsidies for the whole road network.

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by jdietrich on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:59PM (#41823076)
Road vehicles are heavily taxed in European countries. I don't have the figures for Germany, but the UK spends £12bn per year on roads, while it collects £25bn in road fuel duty and £7bn in vehicle excise duty.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298675/united-kingdom-uk...

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/...

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/...

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by V__ on Saturday October 12, 2024 @06:14PM (#41823183)
Vehicle, gas and similar taxes are about €50bn in Germany. The cost of the road system is about €70bn.

[1] https://www.forschung-und-wissen.de/nachrichten/oekonomie/au...

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by taffer on Saturday October 12, 2024 @06:20PM (#41823224)
According to a study by the HTW Berlin, Germany collects €50 billion in road taxes and duties, but spends €30 billion on road maintenance and €30 billion on traffic police and road accident victims. Add to this an estimated €10-30 billion in environmental damage due to air and noise pollution.
Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by threeseed on Saturday October 12, 2024 @06:44PM (#41823380)
There are also deaths caused by road accidents and health issues caused by pollution.

Those have real economic impacts which aren’t being reflected in the true cost of cars.

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by okr on Saturday October 12, 2024 @08:07PM (#41823940)
Life is dangerous. Wait until you find out, how many people die from falling off a ladder.

Gosh, it will take ages, before this green brain washing will be wiped of people's memory.

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by theendisney4 on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:13PM (#41822667)
Roads are much more efficient with fewer cars.
Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by lispm on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:19PM (#41822724)
A German study from 2021 says road traffic created 70 billion euros costs per year. Of that 45 billion had to be paid from general taxes.
Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by msandford on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:21PM (#41822746)
This was phrased poorly if I understand the meaning.

"If there is limited use, roads are more efficient than rail"

That's probably true as roads tend to cost less per mile than rail and you don't have transfer problems.

When heavily utilized the opposite is true: rail is more efficient than roads.

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by theendisney4 on Saturday October 12, 2024 @07:39PM (#41823748)
I dont know how things are in germany but in the netherlands a lot more people own cars which slows down traffic.

All over the world they keep rebuilding congestion points only for traffic to increase.

If making public transport cheaper attracts more travelers there will be fewer cars on the road. The money spend on public transport will aso make car travel more efficiënt. Roads will last longer. Fewer upgrades are needed. Cars will last longer. etc

It is hard to picture how many cars it takes to move a train full of people.

> 7.6 percent fewer kilometres travelled by car.

> German cars were recorded to have travelled 582.4 billion kilometers.

Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by taberiand on Saturday October 12, 2024 @07:41PM (#41823761)
That's why motorists should always vote for more public transport, instead of increasing road lanes - road per user is improved if you reduce the number of other cars
Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by bmoxb on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:18PM (#41822714)
By what metric?
Re:Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant modal sh... by kachapopopow on Saturday October 12, 2024 @05:18PM (#41822710)
The weather would like to have a word with you.