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Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by Alupis on Friday October 11, 2024 @04:42PM (#41813513)
Obesity is a choice for most people who are obese. Yes, they lack the ability to discipline themselves into not over eating, but that is still a choice.

This drug artificially makes them more likely to make a healthier choice. That's great. But the person's goal should be to develop those artificial choices into actual choices, ie. change their lifestyle, then get off the drug.

Setting this up from the start as a "forever" thing is absolutely nuts.

Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by JamesBarney on Friday October 11, 2024 @05:09PM (#41813773)
How much less likely do you think someone with high self control is to not be obese?

12%. Which shows that your intuitions about obesity and the causes are probably wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3717171/

Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by gooosle on Sunday October 13, 2024 @09:11AM (#41827735)
Someone with high self control that wants to be non-obese, has a nearly 100% chance of accomplishing that goal. Literally by definition.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by mort96 on Friday October 11, 2024 @05:10PM (#41813787)
Lacking the ability to do something is, typically, not a choice.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by gooosle on Sunday October 13, 2024 @09:12AM (#41827745)
You don't need any 'ability' to not stuff donuts in your hole.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by PlattypusRex on Friday October 11, 2024 @08:09PM (#41815188)
Blaming victims and being ignorant is a choice, one you made multiple times in this thread.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by rixed on Friday October 11, 2024 @05:59PM (#41814241)
> they lack the ability (...) but that is still a choice.

Typo?

Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by catlikesshrimp on Friday October 11, 2024 @04:56PM (#41813664)
False. (All) People crave for food. Some people have stronger craving than others. In healthy people you call it "hunger". In obese people it is more like an addiction. Do you know people can be addictes to sex and to work, too?

If you insist on the choice argument, the only way an addict can stop consuming is locking himself in a room and throwing away the key. Other than that, much help is needed, many changes are needed, and even chemicals are needed.

"Choice" is victim blaming

Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by gooosle on Sunday October 13, 2024 @09:13AM (#41827757)
All you're saying is the it's harder to make some choices depending on situation. They are still 100% choices. Choices don't have to be trivially easy.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by kortex on Friday October 11, 2024 @08:49PM (#41815405)
Hot take: "choice" is a myth when it comes to long-term executive processing, one doesn't choose to be obese/not, drug addicted/not, etc, the same way one chooses whether they want chicken or beef ramen for lunch. It's an unending grind of executive functioning against more basal impulses, that is heavily influenced by the blend of nature and nurture and life events.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic? by loki-ai on Saturday October 12, 2024 @11:17PM (#41824912)
being a hard determinist is not exactly a hot take…