Obesity is a choice for most people who are obese. Yes, they lack the ability to discipline themselves into not over eating, but that is still a choice.
This drug artificially makes them more likely to make a healthier choice. That's great. But the person's goal should be to develop those artificial choices into actual choices, ie. change their lifestyle, then get off the drug.
Setting this up from the start as a "forever" thing is absolutely nuts.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic?
by JamesBarney on Friday October 11, 2024 @05:09PM
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How much less likely do you think someone with high self control is to not be obese?
12%. Which shows that your intuitions about obesity and the causes are probably wrong.
Someone with high self control that wants to be non-obese, has a nearly 100% chance of accomplishing that goal. Literally by definition.
Lacking the ability to do something is, typically, not a choice.
You don't need any 'ability' to not stuff donuts in your hole.
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic?
by PlattypusRex on Friday October 11, 2024 @08:09PM
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Blaming victims and being ignorant is a choice, one you made multiple times in this thread.
> they lack the ability (...) but that is still a choice.
Typo?
Re:How long til we're all on Ozempic?
by catlikesshrimp on Friday October 11, 2024 @04:56PM
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False. (All) People crave for food. Some people have stronger craving than others. In healthy people you call it "hunger". In obese people it is more like an addiction. Do you know people can be addictes to sex and to work, too?
If you insist on the choice argument, the only way an addict can stop consuming is locking himself in a room and throwing away the key. Other than that, much help is needed, many changes are needed, and even chemicals are needed.
"Choice" is victim blaming
All you're saying is the it's harder to make some choices depending on situation. They are still 100% choices. Choices don't have to be trivially easy.
Hot take: "choice" is a myth when it comes to long-term executive processing, one doesn't choose to be obese/not, drug addicted/not, etc, the same way one chooses whether they want chicken or beef ramen for lunch. It's an unending grind of executive functioning against more basal impulses, that is heavily influenced by the blend of nature and nurture and life events.
It's better than being obese. This is true of most drugs for chronic conditions. very few of them are curative, almost all of them treat the condition.
> Longterm glp-1 agonist research doesn't agree with this.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant with continued treatment you don't rebound.
> Yes, a pill for this, a pill for that... and there's no chance we'll discover these drugs have negative effects when used by a person for 50 years.
They might have negative side effects but obesity has very large negative side effects. I would be incredibly surprised if any of these drugs that have been used in diabetes treatment for a long time have anywhere close to the negative side effects of obesity.