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Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by binary132 on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:04AM (#41797621)
Why have we developed a system of organizing engineering work that is based on engineers having to sell ideas to their colleagues?
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by Loughla on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:42AM (#41797852)
Because their work impacts other people and therefore requires other people to be on board with it?

Unless you're a 1 person company, nothing you do ever only impacts you.

Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by kaashif on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:48AM (#41797889)
The fact that you have to explain this is somewhat concerning.

Usually people say that people skills are as important for having lots of impact as technical skills, but the bar for people skills is really low sometimes I guess.

Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by binary132 on Thursday October 10, 2024 @09:41AM (#41798724)
It’s really weird to me that people have such a hard time imagining a world without “scaled agile” and debate over duplo-scale priorities between product managers and nerds every two weeks. In a sane world, these kinds of decisions would not be a pseudo-democratic negotiation.
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by kaashif on Friday October 11, 2024 @01:21AM (#41806421)
What about the comment you replied to involves "scaled agile"? I may have missed this.

They are simply saying that any system involving multiple people will also involve people convincing other people to do things.

Do you have a system which doesn't involve that? Does it involve cybernetic implants and hive minds?

Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by bdowling on Thursday October 10, 2024 @11:12AM (#41799679)
Even a 1 person company has customers.
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by binary132 on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:42PM (#41800674)
The key word here is “colleagues”.
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by datavirtue on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:23AM (#41797725)
Economics.
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by vundercind on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:51AM (#41797914)
In a way, but I have a feeling the conquest of work-life by people who don’t understand the directly-productive work the company does is a result of economics operating in the 1980s—present era of unshackled M&A. It’s a regulatory outcome.
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by binary132 on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:55AM (#41797942)
are you trying to suggest that Darwinian selection is the most efficient way to organize a collective to achieve a goal?
Re:How to make Product give a shit about your architecture p... by rkachowski on Thursday October 10, 2024 @09:19AM (#41798498)
I feel this. The situation would be more obvious if it was framed as "how to make the organization give a shit about the organization's architectural proposals"