Also, does the word "ghetto" ring any bells?
Not that I think Python solves all the problems well either. I'm a fan of Lua, personally, but only because it's a much cleaner language design, and it's faster, and it's easier to set up, and it's easier to write Node.js-style code that's easier to read, and... well, I guess there are a few reasons.
[1] http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321....
[2] http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoni...
> Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP.
That's a longer-winded version of "You Can Write FORTRAN in Any Language". Certainly nothing exclusive or even particularly unique to PHP or PHP programmers.
Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP. (Rails doesn't save you from creating a mess, neither does the broad separation of concerns of any MVC framework.).
There are thousands of ex-PHP developers out there that think they are now better programmers because they now use Ruby or Python, building thousands projects that proof otherwise.
Five to ten years from now, people will be bitching on HN about legacy RoR software like there's no tomorrow. And they'll probably be blaming the language and/or the framework.