US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by brendoelfrendo on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @01:43AM (#41784855)

So wait, markets don't work, then? A free market, theoretically, promotes innovation by ensuring that businesses must advance their products in order to compete with one another. You're saying that a lack of competition promotes innovation by concentrating all of an industry's capital under one roof.

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by Kon5ole on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @02:32AM (#41785102)

The thing that makes markets work is the struggle. A Darwinian survival of the fittest in a way. Once the struggle is over and only one contestant remains, the results are generally dystopian.

Also I believe that even when working optimally the Darwinian mechanism can't solve certain problems. Some things need to be dealt with by a group of motivated people working for other goals than profit.

Markets gave us compuserve and facebook while CERN gave us the open web, for example.

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by someluccc on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @03:47PM (#41791882)

Yes I can see the dystopian consequences of google’s search monopoly profits, which they have used to do such horrible things as:

- Providing a free alternative to Microsoft’s monopolized office suite and desktop OS

- Provide a free alternative to Apple’s mobile OS, spurring a revolution in access to the internet for the world’s poor

- Provide free global maps with streetview sights

- Provide a free to access video platform with invaluable educational resources that allows millions of creators to make a living and that likely wouldn’t exist save for Google’s monumental investments and ability to sustain years of losses

- Research given away for free that ignited the current AI revolution

- Research given away for free that is revolutionizing medicine and drug development

In sum, truly a horrible thing they’ve done

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by ta1243 on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @04:23PM (#41792234)

Very few of that is free. openstreetmap - that's free. Google maps is an advertising and data mining platform.

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by someluccc on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @04:33PM (#41792327)

So you’re telling me the evil monopolist that charges nothing has a competitor, and that competitor is free? Which is why we must break up the evil monopolist?

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by Kon5ole on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @06:47PM (#41793618)

The case against Google surely is that they shouldn't be allowed to use their dominant position in ad sales to price dump unrelated businesses until all competitors are gone.

Like for example having youtube be free until they're the only game in town then start charging 14 dollars monthly to avoid 30% ads. Or targeting ads to gmail users so you can artificially provide a cheaper mail service than anyone else.

There's an actual law saying you can't do stuff like that.

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by farts_mckensy on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @02:06AM (#41784976)

Both can be true in varying degrees at certain points in time. They're not mutually exclusive. There are benefits to centralization and concentration of capital. Competition is the same exact process that leads to monopolistic entities in the first place.

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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by eastbound on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @01:59AM (#41784939)

Regalian roles are to ensure fair competition by reducing any actor bigger than the state to something smaller, and ensuring the economy works with transparent information (no lying, rule of law, etc.)

Companies getting too big are natural; Letting them get too big is what happens when your state borrows a trillion per semester: Your state is obese, intervening in every little sector of the economy (thus the opposite of liberal), and not playing its regalian role.

You should indeed reduce the size of both the state and the largest companies, to let the economy self-regulate, but then, how would the US govern the rest of the world?

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