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Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by butterfly42069 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @09:55AM (#41749869)
It seems that continuously promising something is X weeks/months/years away is seen as optimism and belief, not blatant disregard for facts.

I'm sure the defence is always, "but if we just had a bit more money, we would've got it done"

Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by Zigurd on Saturday October 05, 2024 @10:24AM (#41750091)
Elizabeth Holmes would like a referral to lawyer who could make that case.
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by butterfly42069 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @10:45AM (#41750243)
I think her end product was too clearly defined for anything she was doing to be passed as progress. I don't think you could make the case for her.

You can make a case that partial self driving is a route to FSD, the ISS is en route to Mars and (you can make a potentially slightly less compelling case) LLMs are on the way to AGI.

No one can make a case that lady was en route to the tech she promised

Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by grahamj on Sunday October 06, 2024 @03:22PM (#41759488)
I think she thought it was going to work for a while. The problem was when she got to the point of realizing it wouldn't and had the chance to stop there, she doubled down. That's why she's in prison today.
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by throwintothesea on Saturday October 05, 2024 @11:26AM (#41750532)
Elizabeth Holmes screwed up by telling the wrong lies and also having the wrong chromosomes. She should've called some cave rescuers pedophiles, then maybe people would've respected her.
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by slashdave on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:49PM (#41751149)
There is a line. Forging documents is one of them.
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by comfysocks on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:10PM (#41751309)
Holmes, Balwani and co lied about their current technology, which is a step beyond making overly optimistic future projections. They claimed to have their own technology when they were actually using their competitor’s machines with diluted blood samples.
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by blindriver on Saturday October 05, 2024 @10:30AM (#41750130)
That’s not what happened to Theranos and Elisabeth Holmes
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by butterfly42069 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @10:41AM (#41750206)
Well I didn't say everyone could pull it off successfully

I think the more abstract and less defined the end goal is, the easier it is to make everything look like progress.

The blood testing lady was a pass/fail really. FSD/AGI are things where you can make anything look like a milestone. Same with SpaceX going to Mars.

Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by kloop on Saturday October 05, 2024 @10:45AM (#41750241)
They made medical claims. That's a very bad idea if you aren't 100% sure
Re:It's Time to Stop Taking Sam Altman at His Word by slashdave on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:50PM (#41751157)
Forget that. Pasting logos of big-named companies on forged documents. I mean, seriously?