Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:13PM
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I don't think the issue is really just localization, though, but also timing. The alert went out at 4:50 AM. I think even if it were highly localized, for what is basically a missing persons alert, most people would be pissed and just go back to bed.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by ndiddy on Friday October 04, 2024 @09:54PM
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Texas definitely can localize their emergency alerts. This alert got sent over the same channel as emergency weather alerts, which get localized per county. It's more that they choose not to localize the alerts.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by Loughla on Friday October 04, 2024 @10:35PM
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It's a conscious choice. More alerts makes you think there's more crime.
Nothing any government or any elected official does anywhere is by mistake. It just doesn't happen.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by bburnett44 on Friday October 04, 2024 @10:48PM
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Oh boy, having worked w government/elected officials a lot, I can tell you that this is just for sure not true.
Sometimes bad behavior really is just incompetence
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by sberder on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:09AM
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Sounds like a common occurrence, maybe we should give it a name...
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by MichaelZuo on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:52PM
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Even if it was ‘just incompetence’ 95% of the time it would still be irrelevant to the average HN reader, since the remaining 5% would still be too much to ever feasibly track.
As there are tens of thousands of government departments, offices, committees, etc… with some amount of decision making power.
And as there are an exponentially large number of subtle ways the 5% of bad apples could influence the 95%, via a few degrees of separation, that cannot be easily reasoned out.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by LightBug1 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @03:53AM
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Sometimes bad behaviour and incompetence are indistinguishable partners in crime.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by red_admiral on Saturday October 05, 2024 @04:07AM
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Such as the Hawaii missile alert.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by tomjen3 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @08:50AM
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Ever since we decided that that was just an unfortunate example of bad UI, we only encouraged more public fuckups.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by tiltowait on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:06PM
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Hm, that's not my experience with California. I disabled amber alerts pretty quickly because I got them for LA despite being in the north end of the state. I wasn't the only one in my social circle complaining about it, either. This was pretty early into amber alerts showing up on the iPhone. Maybe they've improved since then?
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by Plasmoid on Friday October 04, 2024 @10:40PM
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Sounds like Ontario. They sent our amber alerts at the nuclear war level and refused to change.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by dave78 on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:12PM
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Illinois is awful with this too. I disabled Amber Alerts after too many alerts for someone in the St. Louis area when I'm in northern Illinois.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by flyinghamster on Friday October 04, 2024 @11:34PM
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You, too? Fortunately, disabling those doesn't disable the severe weather alerts, and those have worked well for me, most recently in that July tornado.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by pirates on Saturday October 05, 2024 @08:14AM
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Yeah I share the same experience in IL, I turned my Amber Alerts off after being woken up by one at around 2am for some incident at the far end of the state 350 miles away. Like you say though, the weather alerts have worked pretty well for me, too.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by Zamiel_Snawley on Friday October 04, 2024 @09:44PM
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Similar to your earlier experience, I have only ever gotten alerts that were proximate to my present location, though I do live in a state smaller than Texas.
I probably get about one amber alert per quarter, and severe weather alerts a few times a year. I’ve never gotten a “blue” alert in my life.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by Animats on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:57AM
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California had a state-wide Amber Alert once, well over a decade ago. Some department on the fringes of LA sent it, and woke up the whole state, including Northern California, 400 miles away. Millions of people annoyed. Much negative publicity. Didn't happen again. There are still Amber Alerts, but with much shorter ranges.
Re:Don't squander public trust on bullshit
by bravetraveler on Saturday October 05, 2024 @05:26AM
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That's auxiliary. Distance for most of these alerts should be 0 (read: not at all)
I've lived in 2 other decently large states including California and left Amber Alerts enabled because they were infrequent and caused me no trouble - and they were infrequent because you only got alerts for your immediate area. As soon as I moved to Texas I had to disable them because they're all statewide, so your phone just gets blown up with them if you disable them.
Alerting a 5 mile radius about a killer on the loose is reasonable. A 600+ mile radius is not.