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Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by robinsonb5 on Monday September 30, 2024 @03:31AM (#41694471)
The thing is, we have been here before.

Think back to the mid-1980s and the first time everyone got their hands on a Casio or Yamaha keyboard with auto-accompaniment.

It was a huge amount of fun to play with, just pressing a few buttons, playing a few notes and feeling like you were producing a "real" pop song. Meanwhile, any actual musicians were to be found crying in the corner of the room, not because a new tool had come along which threatened their position, but because non-musicians apparently didn't understand (at least immediately) the difference between these superficial, low-effort machine-generated sounds and actual music.

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by HPsquared on Monday September 30, 2024 @03:33AM (#41694496)
That's a really good analogy.
Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by sirsinsalot on Monday September 30, 2024 @04:23AM (#41694776)
And yet Clint Eastwood by the Gorillaz was a Casio demo track.

It isn't so black and white.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Wn0NtSNeQEQ

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by _emacsomancer_ on Monday September 30, 2024 @07:54AM (#41696149)
Similarly, Under Mi Sleng Teng[1], but here too it required human musical talent.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleng_Teng

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by lugu on Monday September 30, 2024 @04:31AM (#41694825)
That is to the point. Gorillaz has talent, and that is what made Clint Eastwood a hit. Not the Yamaha.
Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by jazzypants on Monday September 30, 2024 @11:18AM (#41698167)
To be clear, Dan the Automator added an additional drum track, an additional bass track, and a melodica track as well as numerous other sound effects. They didn't just loop the Casio demo track.
Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by Workaccount2 on Monday September 30, 2024 @09:40AM (#41696960)
What is scary about AI is the speed of improvement, not what it currently is.

People keep forming these analogies/explanations with the inherent premise that what we have now is what AI is going to be - "It's actually kind of shitty so don't fret, not much will change".

AI music creation has improved more in the last 5 years than keyboard accompaniment improved in the previous 40 years. It would be very brazen to bet that the tech 5 years from now is hardly any better. Especially when scaling transformers has consistently improved outputs. Double especially when the entire tech industry is throwing the house at scaling it.

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by agentultra on Monday September 30, 2024 @09:55AM (#41697109)
... and it still won't be music.

The reason why people like music is because another person wrote and performed it. We like watching other people.

Give us an infinite playlist of elevator music and it just becomes oatmeal.

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by Workaccount2 on Monday September 30, 2024 @10:00AM (#41697174)
This is just a "no true Scotsman" take.

Popular music has already been synthetic and souless for decades now. People will listen to what sounds good to them, and we already know the bar is very low, and that the hard truth is that it is all subjective anyway.

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by jazzypants on Monday September 30, 2024 @11:19AM (#41698183)
Sure, bars and restaurants will have an endless supply of boring music, but no one is ever going to go to an AI music event.
Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by Workaccount2 on Monday September 30, 2024 @11:35AM (#41698380)
Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by jazzypants on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @03:33AM (#41705607)
The music is written by human beings and the animation is done by human beings.

You just proved my point for me.

https://legacy.iftf.org/future-now/article-detail/making-mik...

Re:NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surpris... by agentultra on Monday September 30, 2024 @05:18PM (#41702244)
More of a behavioural science take. Is music the sound that is played or the people making the sound?

We’ve had software accompaniment for a long time. Elevator music. The same 4 chords arranged in similar ways for decades. Hasn’t destroyed music. Neither will AI.

At some point people are going to want to know who’s on the other side making the music.

Unless your argument is that nobody values artists… which is I guess one of the primary conceits of GenAI enthusiasts today.