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Re:Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday–along with h... by s1artibartfast on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:10PM (#41673834)
I think that is more of consequence resulting from lower transaction costs, rather than an economic externality. That said, I understand the definitions of externality is changing in popular usage.
Re:Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday–along with h... by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:12PM (#41673858)
> that is more of consequence resulting from lower transaction costs, rather than an economic externality

An externality is "an indirect cost or benefit to an uninvolved third party that arises as an effect of another party's (or parties') activity" [1]. If Visa reduced its fees, the merchant's additional profit is an externality.

> understand the definitions of externality is changing in popular usage

Third-party economic consequences have always been the definition [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality

[2] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26617802

Re:Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday–along with h... by s1artibartfast on Friday September 27, 2024 @03:16PM (#41674476)
As I see it, I think the distinction between consequences and externalities is that externalities are applied to cost and pricing, but not concepts.

Wikipedia doesn't go too deep into when externality analysis is appropriate or useful, but hints at this in the following sentence to the one you quoted.

>Externalities can be considered as unpriced components that are involved in either consumer or producer market transactions

Something like the advent of centralized currency isnt a priced good or action, so it doesnt make sense to say it has a positive externality (e.g the transaction price of "centralized currency adoption" is not a priced object).

This is why it is more appropriate to say something like the advent of centralized currency has consequences instead.

Regarding the Visa example, the merchant isn't a uninvolved 3rd party, so the profit is not an externality. Value on the table during an economic exchange is not an externality. Similarly, the value created or lost for each interacting party is not an externality.

One more thoughts on common externality misconception.

The general connotation is that externalities describe pricing failure and market failure (e.g. pollution). The usefulness externality analysis breaks down quickly when you move from realized external costs or benefits to opportunity costs or benefits.

If a $1 pill saves a worker's life, is the value that person make for others over the remainder of their life an externality. Technically yes. If you sell them a pill again a year later, the same is true.

This illustrates how externalities can be duplicative and should not be confused with pricing errors.

Re:Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday–along with h... by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @03:17PM (#41674495)
> the transaction price of "centralized currency adoption" is not a priced object

Of course it is. Joining a currency union carries costs.

Broadly speaking, you're correct: the term has ambiguous meaning. My point is that isn't something new, but an element that has always been with the term.

Re:Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday–along with h... by s1artibartfast on Friday September 27, 2024 @04:41PM (#41675331)
I think that still runs afoul of the "uninvolved 3rd party" part of the definition.

Two actors can both generate value from a transaction due to a difference between price and their respective utility value for what is traded. This producer and consumer surplus is explicitly distinct from externalities.

If there is a currency deal between the US and Argentina, the consequences to those countries are not an externality. However, if this deal produces a 2nd order change in the Chinese RMB, some would call that an externality, although I would call it a consequence (because externality implies mispricing)