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Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by aaomidi on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:21PM (#41662152)
ECH is going to be huge for people in regressive countries. For example Iran.
Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by drdaeman on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:29PM (#41662238)
Nah, they're just going to block the whole ECH handshake.

Idk about Iran, but Russia and China just block eSNI, QUIC and whatever their DPI firewalls can't really handle on the fly.

Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by Rushsick on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:40PM (#41662372)
The idea is to make ECH too large of a target to make blocking it practical. If you block ECH you end up blocking access to a large portion of the internet in that region. It's why some major browsers have chosen to not gracefully fallback to non-ECH handshakes upon connection failure.
Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by orthoxerox on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:20PM (#41662855)
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Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by 9cb14c1ec0 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:42PM (#41663128)
Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by sroussey on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:46PM (#41662432)
I think the other poster was implying that the governments don’t care.
Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by Rushsick on Thursday September 26, 2024 @03:53PM (#41662527)
Yeah we shall see - we're monitoring closely
Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by aaomidi on Thursday September 26, 2024 @05:08PM (#41663410)
Disagree on this take. Blocking services does have an economic impact.

This alongside people smuggling in starlink is making censorship useless.

Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by sroussey on Thursday September 26, 2024 @06:20PM (#41664141)
China blocks services all the time. I was one of the original 10 blocked by the great firewall of china.

And starlink can be traced. It’s only time before some people start getting arrested.

Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by aaomidi on Thursday September 26, 2024 @06:24PM (#41664169)
I’m not talking about China. China has well made internal alternatives to most western services.

Iran does not.

Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by leloctai on Thursday September 26, 2024 @09:55PM (#41665526)
Freedom of information is an existential threat to authoritarian states. There is no amount of money they're not willing to give up if it mean they stay in power.

That's said, it will not come to that. They'll just mandate spyware installation.

Re:New standards for a faster and more private Internet by leloctai on Thursday September 26, 2024 @10:03PM (#41665566)
Many such countries already block traffic with ECH entirely. There's no technical solutions to a polical problem.

I remember when you can just change your DNS provider to bypass censorship. Nowadays, browsers and OS provide safe DNS by default, and thus censors had mostly switched to DPI based method. As this cat and mouse game continue, inevitably these governments will mandate spyware on every machine.

These privacy enhancements invented by westerner only work for western citizens threat model.