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Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by pbasista on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @04:52AM (#41645271)
> If customers bring their own stuff then you're stuck

Why? There is nothing preventing an ISP from saying that from date X, only protocols A, B and C are supported. If you want to use your own device, make sure it supports these protocols.

In other words, the requirement to allow customers to use their own devices does not mean that they can choose all available protocols. The allowed protocols can still be controlled by the ISPs.

Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by naming_the_user on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @08:02AM (#41646384)
You are at the end of the day still running a business.

It's like saying that Spotify could suddenly decide to retire support for Android 12 or something. They could, but how many customers are they going to lose and how much support burden is that going to generate?

Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by pbasista on Thursday September 26, 2024 @02:58PM (#41661898)
I am unsure if the analogy you have offered is relevant here.

The major difference is that the ISPs in this particular case do not need to offer any support apart from listing standardized protocols which are supported. If someone brings in their own device, it is on them to set it up and make sure it works with the currently supported protocols.

Also, this business model is nothing new. For example, mobile network operators have been using it for decades. Their base calling services might remain working even on the oldest phones. But when it comes to data services, they are gradually upgrading. Many of them are switching off their 3G networks to free up frequencies, for instance. Millions of people are affected. And yet, there is no drama around it.

One of the reasons might be that these phase-outs are announced and planned very long time in advance so the customers have the time to prepare. And they have a choice. Either upgrade their phones or live without fast-ish data or switch carriers if possible. Which is fair, in my opinion.

It seems to me that the ISPs could use a similar approach and be just fine.

Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by thefz on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @04:58AM (#41645310)
> Why? There is nothing preventing an ISP from saying that from date X, only protocols A, B and C are supported. If you want to use your own device, make sure it supports these protocols.

A lot of overhead for ISP support in those cases in which a customer knows they can buy any router with any ONT, plugs it and forgets it without zero knowledge of what a protocol even is.

Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by appendix-rock on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:52AM (#41645558)
Hahahaha! Have you ever done any customer support!? This is not how it works.
Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by tuetuopay on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:06AM (#41645639)
Well this is about allowing customer supplied ONT, not supporting them. As in, you have to follow upgrade procedures announced X days in advance, etc.
Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:50AM (#41645910)
In theory yes. In practice that might work that way if ~5% of your users are in that situation. If ~50% of your user base is running on a legacy protocol and you're running into Churn risks, the company is going to re-evaluate if they want to retire the old protocol.

There _is_ a reason even legacy cable TV and ancient DOCSIS channels are still being available in many countries because actually retiring a lot of old modems has shown to be risky to the business.

Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by iphoneisbetter on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @09:51AM (#41647554)
Lol, that's hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle. Tell me you've never supported (limited knowledge) end-users without saying it out loud.
Re:Hack GPON – how to access, change and edit fibre ONTs by beerandt on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @09:11AM (#41647098)
I mean you're right in general- but we're talking about a subset of customers that want to mess with their own fiber connection.

That's either a horde that understands the issue, or is an even smaller subset that is going to be a pita anyway.