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Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by tgv on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @02:23AM (#41644251)
It’s quite common for the first oboe to play the tuning pitch.

> As far as I know, there's no standard way for the composer to notate a solo for, say, violin[1][15]

Because it doesn’t make sense. You don’t know who sits there. You just want the sound of a solo violin, and the first chairs have gotten to their position because they can deliver.

There are all sorts of weird annotations in scores though, so if you think that one part sounds best when played from the last row, you can just say so in the score.

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by hinkley on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @03:28AM (#41644635)
I saw a concert with a small regional orchestra recently. The first violin stood which triggered the tuning, but she did not join in playing until a handful of instruments were already in the chorus. I don’t know who started but I’m willing to believe it may have been the oboe.
Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by gabrielmoshe on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @04:20AM (#41645056)
Tuning typically follows a little ritual, where (1) the concertmaster stands to indicate that tuning should begin, (2) the oboe gives the 440 Hz A tone, which by the way, they normally have an electronic tuner these days to help them nail that pitch, (3) the brass and winds tune off the oboe, (4) the concertmaster tunes her violin off the oboe, (5) the concertmaster plays the A for the strings, who tune their open A string off that note, (6) the strings tune their other three strings to their A, usually by ear.

Source: Me, playing in amateur orchestras for twenty-plus years.

Sidenote: I find the sound of an orchestra tuning to be a deep joy! All those instruments sliding into place is just delightful

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by iosonofuturista on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:07AM (#41645349)
Believe it or not...

As a regular orquestral concert goer (I would say I average a concert a week per year at least) reading your description of the tuning process gave me goosebumps.

It really is one of the best sounds on the world! The tension! The anticipation! And then seeing and hearing a well rehearsed group of people move from casual conversation mode into serious business mode in a few seconds. And from chaos comes order. And then the silence, only broken by the applause when the maestro and soloist(s) arrive.

One of life's biggest pleasures if I may say so.

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by madcaptenor on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @10:39AM (#41648064)
I don't know if this is true - might just be a joke - but I've heard stories of people unfamiliar with Western classical music going to concerts and telling the people who brought them that they liked the "first part" of the music, their hosts thinking they meant the first movement or the piece that was played first, but they actually meant the tuning. See e.g. https://silpayamanant.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/if-you-apprec....

It seems like the story is usually told about an "Indian musician" and something similar happened in reverse at a Ravi Shankar concert, where the Western audience applauded after he tuned.

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by 4ggr0 on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:22AM (#41645401)
> I find the sound of an orchestra tuning to be a deep joy!

I love it as well. But at the same time it makes me feel like an idiot because all I can think about is the PS3 menu sound when you power it on...[0]

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgPXlMbchFM

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by mannyv on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @09:30AM (#41647300)
Tuning is one of the best parts. You can hear some players playing various melodies and themes, then everyone eventually unifies on one note.

And A is a ery triumphal note when everyone converges on it.

Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by timw4mail on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @09:39AM (#41647400)
Come to think of it, it's also kind of the primal musical 'resolution', from scattered frequencies to a practical unison/octave.
Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by Hunpeter on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @11:13AM (#41648415)
Addendum: some orchestras tune to a slightly different A (442 Hz is common I think), and the oboe player often gives a B-flat as well for those instruments where that's more natural.
Re:Why violins are the biggest section in the orchestra by cptcobalt on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @12:38PM (#41649229)
This is the best description of orchestra tuning I've ever read. I've always wondered what gives it that specific sound of everything coming into place with relative consistency across orchestras, but didn't really know the mechanics of it. Thank you.