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Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by munksbeer on Monday September 23, 2024 @05:33AM (#41624133)
How do you know this "most" stat?

And if there are people working 4 hours a day remotely, how productive do you think those same people are just because they're sat in an office?

Nutshell: I think this is a nonsense argument.

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by otabdeveloper4 on Monday September 23, 2024 @05:41AM (#41624187)
It's not a nonsense argument.

If you're sitting in an office twiddling your thumbs for 4 hours a day you're not defrauding your employer.

If you're at home working a second job (or mowing your lawn) for 4 hours a day then you're committing fraud and violating your contract with your employer.

Fundamentally it's a legal issue about fraud.

If you want remote work then you need a very different kind of employment contract. (One that specifies concrete deliverables, not time owed.)

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by sensanaty on Monday September 23, 2024 @05:57AM (#41624277)
> If you're sitting in an office twiddling your thumbs for 4 hours a day you're not defrauding your employer.

So you just want to lord over the minions, even if they're not actually doing anything for half the day? You don't actually care about productivity, you just care that you can exert your power over them and have them rot in a cubicle doing nothing, even if they were doing equal amounts of work in both situations.

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by otabdeveloper4 on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:16AM (#41625736)
They bought your time, and you signed that contract.

Complaining that they're not properly using the time they bought is like claiming you can joyride your neighbor's expensive sports car because he's not using it most of the time anyways.

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by munksbeer on Monday September 23, 2024 @06:24AM (#41624438)
> If you want remote work then you need a very different kind of employment contract. (One that specifies concrete deliverables, not time owed.)

We're a remote heavy company and we don't have that type of contract, and it all works really well.

So no, you don't need it.

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by otabdeveloper4 on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:17AM (#41625754)
You don't actually "need" legal contracts and other boring ugly things, as long as everybody plays nice.

We are now past that point where everyone plays nice working remotely.

Re:The war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity by munksbeer on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:23AM (#41625823)
Maybe you are. We're not.