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Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by teaearlgraycold on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:29PM (#41586750)
Still easily within the budget of the US, Russia, China, Israel, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of nodes are ran by intelligence agencies.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by andai on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:58PM (#41586948)
They say the internet is just someone else's computer. With Tor it's the computer of a person who wants you to think it's not their computer, and also that they aren't paying attention to (or somehow can't see) what you're doing on it.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by bawolff on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:35PM (#41586795)
I think the threat model is that the majority are not run by cooperating malicious parties.

Russia, china and usa all dont like each other much so are probably not sharing notes (in theory).

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by aftbit on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @08:31PM (#41587170)
Or perhaps they _are_ sharing notes about tor users with each other, as part of a global club of intelligence agencies (a sort of new world order) who would rather not be overthrown. How are we to know?
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by anticorporate on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @09:07PM (#41587404)
Because if they each only have incomplete information, they each wouldn't know whether the information they have is relevant to preventing overthrow of their collective order, or intelligence that is only going to help their geopolitical adversary.

Basically, a variation of the prisoner's dilemma.

Also, those nukes we have pointed at each other are a pretty healthy hint.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by Imustaskforhelp on Thursday September 19, 2024 @12:35AM (#41588532)
the last sentence really just gave me a chuckle
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by jrochkind1 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @10:13AM (#41592093)
Or perhaps someone with secret quantum computing can break all our encryption and has full transparency on all communications on the internet. Perhaps extraterrestrials are eavesdropping on everything I say in my living room, and sharing it with the KGB. How are we to know?
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by rrrix1 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @12:17PM (#41593436)
Occam's Razor definitely applies here.

"The simplest explanation is usually the best one."

Conspiracy theories are a logical reasoning black hole.

I personally feel it's generally best to avoid the mental Spaghettification.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by darby_nine on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:37PM (#41586806)
In fact, you should assume they are. This doesn't imply the network doesn't have utility for a given actor.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by chr_1 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:31PM (#41587898)
Before 2020 when /r/privacy stimulated conversation that was worthy of good discussion you learned Tor the software made less available nodes accessible with newer deployments, that’s why it got faster. Regardless of how many nodes existed. The routing shifted. Now it’s way faster and there's specifically designated guard nodes seemingly pinged repeatedly out to the same allied nations.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by giantg2 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:35PM (#41587913)
The interesting thing is, the more agencies that run relays, the more they interfere with each other. So having something like US, Russia, and China a each running 25% of the network reduces the chances of any one getting all three relays.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by droopyEyelids on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:10PM (#41588112)
This would help negate that interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by giantg2 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:32PM (#41588224)
Specifically what I chose US (allies implied), China, and Russia. These should be three competing factions.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by pasabagi on Thursday September 19, 2024 @01:11AM (#41588725)
I think even Russia and the US still do intelligence sharing on a lot of stuff - and that's before you consider that the US seems to be in everybody's networks anyhow, so non-sharing is probably just sharing with a bit more skullduggery.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by giantg2 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:38AM (#41590436)
I don't think they share on the bulk data. I would highly doubt they routinely cooperate on cyber crimes given Russia's stance on the matter (basically encouraging it).
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by trompetenaccoun on Thursday September 19, 2024 @05:12AM (#41589980)
Russia and China are allies. And I'm not sure if Beijing would even be interested in spying on TOR users since it's blocked so thoroughly it's basically unusable for Chinese residents.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by giantg2 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:35AM (#41590419)
I don't know they are that aligned to be sharing bulk data like that. I don't think the are considered formal allies.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by bluGill on Thursday September 19, 2024 @08:56AM (#41591385)
China is for sure interested in spying on people in the US. I'm not sure if TOR users are of special interest though.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by Workaccount2 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @10:05AM (#41592000)
China and Russia are decidedly not allies.

They are neighbors with some overlapping interests and sort of similar goals if you squint. It wasn't very long ago that they were killing each other over border conflicts and annexed territory.

China right now is just using Russia for cheap energy, they don't actually care about the health of the state.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by trompetenaccoun on Thursday September 19, 2024 @11:37AM (#41593003)
>It wasn't very long ago...

If that's how geopolitics worked China would still be an American ally, vice versa. But alliances can change. Once an enemy always an enemy isn't a thing.

>they don't actually care about the health of the state

That's true but it's not a requirement for Xi to care about Russia. In fact I'm very sure he doesn't care about the Chinese people either. Russia needs China and the CCP uses Russia, not just for cheap energy but for fighting a war that many Westerners haven't even realized that it has begun already. Russia and China have a common enemy, that enemy is NATO.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by Aerbil313 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @01:50PM (#41594415)
I get scared reading that wiki page. The fact that the Australians are powerless[1] to stop US operating Pine Gap on their own soil, says something about how important the stuff the NSA & co. is doing there. (Surveillance) Horrors beyond our understanding.

1: A good video explaining history & status quo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHMa-Ba-2Mo

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by markus_zhang on Friday September 20, 2024 @11:10PM (#41607183)
Thanks, that's a fun video.