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Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by text0404 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:13PM (#41584201)
why is terrorism most aligned with Islam? isn't it possible to frame any/every religion as "most likely to commit acts of terrorism" based on subjective interpretations of their tenets?
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by t0mas88 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:31PM (#41584420)
Only in recent times, with IS and similar organizations in the middle east. If you look at different historic periods you'd consider the Christians to be violent terrorists, even invading countries and starting lots of wars.
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by text0404 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:50PM (#41584637)
then we agree. personally i find the kind of terrorism associated with Christian Nationalism to pose more of an existential threat since i'm in the US and am exposed to a lot of it. despite that, i don't conflate christianity with terrorism.

the person i responded to thinks that Islam has a causal relationship with terrorism - what about the ideology leads you to believe that, besides the fact that the media you consume reports on it more often?

Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by minkles on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:34PM (#41585137)
30 day body count https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=L...

The Christian nationalists are a rising problem as well.

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Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by djohnston on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @05:38PM (#41585855)
Can you elaborate on what makes a criticism of Islamic extremism racist?
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by runarberg on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:10PM (#41586117)
Singling out a group of people for individual behavior is racism.
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by minkles on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:41PM (#41586407)
So singling out rapists is racism?
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by mrkstu on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:36PM (#41586359)
You could make the argument its bigoted, but please reserve the 'racist' tag for those using race as a classifier.
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by runarberg on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @08:09PM (#41587023)
In this case the source they cited is actually a racist propaganda: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-religion-of-peace/
Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by minkles on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @05:07PM (#41585502)
Is the data wrong?

I know the web site is a shit show. As for race, it’s not a race. Don’t conflate the two. An ideology should never be beyond criticism.

Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by runarberg on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:20PM (#41586222)
Yes the data is wrong, and the propaganda site is lying. It is presenting an extreme behavior as if it was typical of members of a certain group. On other words, the data, as presented, is wrong.

Islam is not an ideology, it is a religion. And members of this religion consist a group, or people. As such criticizing this religion is criticizing a group of people for whom they are, and it is racism.

Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by minkles on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:36PM (#41586361)
I am criticising the ideology of Islamic extremism, which notably does not include non-extremists. That includes my white caucasian ex-Muslim friend and my Kyrgyz friend who is still a Muslim.

What you are doing is muddying the waters of the argument by making that association. Are you not the racist then by suggesting the attribution?

If you can't criticise extremism without being called a racist, we are truly and utterly fucked as as species.

Re:Hezbollah hand-held radios explode, killing three, one da... by runarberg on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:47PM (#41586883)
My claim was that an act is more likely to be called terrorism if it was done by a Muslim. Your claim was that there might be a causal connection explaining that, implying that Muslims are more likely to commit terrorism.

Nowhere was I talking about extremists nor any ideology for that matter. Either you misunderstood me or you have moved the goalpost.

Your racist propaganda includes this sentence featured prominently on the page:

> TROP is a non-political, fact-based site which examines the ideological threat that Islam poses to human dignity and freedom

Note they say “Islam”, not “Islamic fundamentalism” or “extreme ideologies self proclaimed to be based on Islam”.

It is entirely not clear it is talking about a specific ideology or extremism, something one would expect they would make abundantly clear if their purpose was not to spread hate propaganda. In fact it seems like they are actually talking about an entire peoples and judging them based on the actions of the few. In other words, racism.