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Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by bagels on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @12:58PM (#41569825)
CCTV footage of one of the explosions:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hezbollah-m...

This isn't how lithium batteries fail.

Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by mortenjorck on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @04:10PM (#41572155)
Yeah, this should remove any doubt that there were explosives involved. At the 500 to 1000 mA hour capacity typically used in pagers, even tampering with the battery's venting in an attempt to build up gas pressure would at worst result in a pop and some smoke from the top of the bag.

Blowing a hole in the side of the bag and sending debris for several meters is obviously not plausible with that quantity of lithium.

Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by this_steve_j on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @02:04PM (#41570711)
The explosion in the video does show visible smoke, but there is not a visible flame or fire.
Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by ArnoVW on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @03:23PM (#41571628)
That is what explosives look like. You're thinking 80's movies explosions, made with barrels of gas.

Tom Scott explains it better than I do https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWcTV2nEkU

Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by bagels on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @07:03PM (#41573823)
It's about the lack of visible flame, but more about the velocity of the burn, essentially instantaneous at normal camera speeds.
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Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by axlee on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @01:34PM (#41570325)
Looks pretty discriminate to me, only the pager holder was affected. I've seen multiple videos with very close bystanders completely unharmed. And whoever holds a pager from Hezbollah is a member of an armed terrorist group officially at war with Israel.
Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by permo-w on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @01:55PM (#41570606)
Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by LightBug1 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @05:27AM (#41577628)
Your on-the-ground, in-depth and thorough analysis of the situation is appreciated ...
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Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by mytailorisrich on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @01:33PM (#41570314)
All the media reports say that these were the pagers distributed by Hezbollah to its members.

Objectively this is therefore targeted, not indiscriminate...

Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by secondcoming on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @01:46PM (#41570493)
Right but these were exploding in public right next to innocent people. There's CCTV footage of some of them exploding.
Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by mytailorisrich on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @01:48PM (#41570522)
That's still a targeted attack and it seems from the media reports so far that the "collateral damage" is remarkably low, actually.
Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by runarberg on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @03:51PM (#41571918)
How did they make sure that only pagers carried by the armed wing of Hezbollah exploded, and not say an MP, nor one of their media workers, nor a manager in one of their hospitals? How did they know that no civilians were dangerously close when they exploded?

They didn’t. They put explosions in all the pagers which were distributed to all members of Hezbollah, military or not, and indiscriminately exploded them all at the same time, regardless of who was near the pager at the time.

Re:Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured ... by underlipton on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @03:00PM (#41571366)
This is incorrect in a disturbing way. How can something be "targeted" if the attackers simply do not and cannot know where the attacks are going to take place, physically and geographically?