1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place

Re:1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all li... by tomcam on Friday September 13, 2024 @07:21AM (#41530122)

Not sure I agree. China did by the Qin Dynasty. They have spent centuries defining the notion of centralized government right down to civil service exams (imperial examination system) for a thousand years. Rome was a pretty well-defined system of government, no?

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Re:1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all li... by diroussel on Friday September 13, 2024 @07:56AM (#41530349)

I suspect the China issue was a carve out in the comment you replied too. Since they were referring to the west.

As for Rome, it was never a Nation in the modern sense. It started as a city state and became an empire.

My understanding is that nation states (where the rule and the border were defined nationality of the population) were born as a reaction against empire. Starting with the French Revolution, where the desire for the French to be ruled by French in France was new concept.

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Re:1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all li... by tomcam on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:19PM (#41533188)

Thanks. A way to frame history I never encountered.

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Re:1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all li... by throwaway48540 on Saturday September 14, 2024 @05:11PM (#41543002)

That really wasn't new. The Imperial Senate of the HRE was assigning rulers to fiefdoms also based on locality.

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