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Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:31AM (#41528555)
> Glad to see these guys out the job and production moving to the Carolinas

Here's an idea: let them compete. Seattle versus North Charleston. I quite literally don't know if I agree with your or not, but that's the point--none of you, I or a dickwad in Chicago or D.C. should be making that call unilaterally. The market should. Split them up and return us to the competition that built America's golden age of aviation.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:40AM (#41528599)
You'll have to break up the FAA first. The certification costs are ungodly, rigid, and the certification process created fascistic interweaving of industry with government.

To break the monopoly, counterintuitively, we have to deregulate Boeing.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by nottorp on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:50AM (#41528974)
The FAA broke itself up already. They allowed Boeing to self certify.
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:30AM (#41529178)
Seems Boeing effectively became part of the FAA. I've produced and designed experimental aircraft. The FAA made it clear they would not certify it, simply wasn't legal since it wasn't contemplated under any certifiable title in the CFRs other than experimental.
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:47AM (#41528626)
> You'll have to break up the FAA first. The certification costs are ungodly, rigid, and the certification process created fascistic interweaving of industry with government

Why do you need to break up the FAA to simplify certification?

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:53AM (#41528670)
The golden age of flight had not only competition of manufacture, but competition from consumers and purchasers on risk appetite. It could not emerge under an FAA as we know it. To come anywhere near that you'd need to break up the FAA, as it has a virtual monopoly on violence in enforcing the CFRs here. Let people pick which, if any enforcer they want certifying their airplanes.

That is, the FAA suffers from the same lack of competition as Boeing.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by nullindividual on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:39AM (#41528905)
The golden age of flight splattered the blood of professionals and innocents alike to write those regulations.

Flight is not for cowboys.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:15AM (#41529099)
You can't count all the dead from flight being held back FAA. It's similar with housing regulations -- the code inspector sees dead in a house but not the 10 homeless people he killed by making housing less accessible.
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by BlarfMcFlarf on Friday September 13, 2024 @08:22AM (#41530521)
How would insufficient ability to make more dangerous planes kill anyone? By what mechanism? Who, for example? What are you even talking about?
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:32AM (#41531120)
One example is FAA balking at certifying evtols for years after they started to emerge. They're dangerous but could allow more accessible rescue options for people already in a dangerous survival situation, or need a fast ride to a hospital.
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by milutinovici on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:40AM (#41531189)
Invisible hand of the market would catch passengers mid air
Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by vkou on Friday September 13, 2024 @03:40AM (#41528914)
The golden age of flight had ~100x the fatal accident rate that we do today.

No thanks.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by beaglesss on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:03AM (#41529037)
Ok but the premise of the golden age was 'crosses. Why do disingenuous little fuckers like you always wait until I reply, then impugn the other guys premise as if it is mine?

This is why 4chan is so much better, at least when I call out shitbags like you I don't burn an account doing it. Honestly,this place needs a lot more personal insults to make it more palatable, and less passive aggressive 'no thanks' low effort trolls.

Re:Boeing workers vote to strike in resounding defeat for tr... by lagadu on Saturday September 14, 2024 @11:33PM (#41545000)
Airbus seems to be doing just fine, including their final assembly lines in the US.