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Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by oldgregg on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @12:34PM (#41512947)
Anyone else remember when HackerNews had an adventurous libertarian ethos before the school marms infested the place with irrelevant and low vibrational commentary?
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by consteval on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @01:20PM (#41513420)
> adventurous libertarian ethos

Libertarian is when smuggle drugs and oppress the working class through secret surveillance

When people say that libertarians are just right-wingers kidding themselves, I think they mean this kind of stuff. I don't think it's in a "libertarian ethos" to do wildly unethical and immoral things on a large scale, with the intention of exploiting people for profit.

If that actually is libertarian ethos, then it sucks.

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by Geee on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @02:55PM (#41514251)
I think the critique was directed towards the attitude of being overtly scared of doing something illegal or breaking rules (which does not equal being unethical!). Backbag is simply a way to transport stuff in a backbag, which isn't illegal.
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by ath3nd on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @03:07PM (#41514385)
> When people say that libertarians are just right-wingers kidding themselves

I thought libertarians are right-wingers kidding with us /s

> I don't think it's in a "libertarian ethos" to do wildly unethical and immoral things on a large scale

I personally conflate libertarianism with wanting all regulations removed and whining about Big-Government, and then crying to Big-Government to bail you out when you crashed the economy with less-than-informed gambling.

> If that actually is libertarian ethos, then it sucks.

Astute observation!

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by gperkins978 on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @01:59PM (#41513747)
No, it is simply an idea to live and let live. Sane people escape California or New York where one must be insanely wealthy to live a decent life. In most of the US, you can do your thing and no one will bother you. Most hellishly expensive places would become affordable and fun if they implemented Texas-style zoning.

Now, obnoxious white people in Silicon Valley would be upset that multifamily housing had allowed displeasing minorities in, but man would that make life better for everyone. I lived in East Asia, and it is really nice when cities are not too expensive for regular people to live in. Furthermore, I have no sympathy for rich @holes who complain about losing their expensive view.

Freedom helps all, but especially the poor. The leftists have tricked people in California and NYC into thinking the system fails the poor, when in reality it is their stupid regulations that made these places expensive.

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by hughesjj on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @02:35PM (#41514058)
Yeah, this is why all the homeless people in Cali and New York move to Texas and Mississippi. It's all those darn regulations hurting poor people. Not the rich people who are always whining about regulation and taxes. No, the poor people.

Btw anyone else seen that bear rummaging around? Any idea how to get rid of it?

Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by romwell on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @06:26PM (#41515851)
>If that actually is libertarian ethos, then it sucks.

It is.

Also, when I asked whether they would have the same libertarian attitude regarding a crowd-sourced app to keep tabs on people with net worth over $1B, my modest proposal[1] got flagged and hidden -

- unlike the insulting comment that called the users who have an issue with Pave "schoolmarms" that "infest" the place, like pests to be exterminated.

Go figure.

Hypocrisy is OK on HN, calling it out is not.

[1] as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

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Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by FactKnower69 on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @07:50PM (#41516326)
he flagged your post, too adventurous for him :(
Re:Ask HN: Why Is Pave Legal? by failuser on Thursday September 12, 2024 @03:33PM (#41524625)
“Is it legal?” should be a question adventurous libertarian should ask himself. Something being illegal never stopped hackers, being it exploiting vulnerabilities for profit or not complying with outdated regulation. That is just good strategy. I don’t expect libertarians to ask a question “is it ethical” the more anarchist wing of the hacker community might ask themselves.