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Re:Why GitHub Won by 0x1ch on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:34PM (#41491084)
Every project by Google I was willing to jump platforms for, they killed. So outside of email, maps, and search, sometimes voice, they have nothing left that is worth investing time into. It will disappear within a couple years or less.
Re:Why GitHub Won by sureIy on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:30PM (#41492516)
Voice? Could easily fold and be sold to Sprint. I’m honestly surprised (and thankful) it’s been working for 15+ years. Completely out of Google character. I hope they forgot about it running on a server under someone’s desk in the basement just below a red stapler.
Re:Why GitHub Won by inanutshellus on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:48PM (#41492754)
Presumably because it's still providing value. It was originally about mass collecting voice data so they could train their speech-to-text capabilities with various dialects.

Dialects are always in flux and there are plenty of languages out there they haven't conquered, so ... I'd guess they're just leaving it running to detect new speech or languages or dialets or ... personal data gathering or... ?

Re:Why GitHub Won by 0x1ch on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:33PM (#41494904)
Man, they collected a lot of prank calls from my younger-self lol.
Re:Why GitHub Won by kortilla on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @03:23AM (#41498079)
Youtube has significantly better voice data
Re:Why GitHub Won by aniviacat on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @07:23AM (#41499648)
The audio quality of Youtube videos is not representative of the audio quality of someone speaking into their phone.

The speech patterns also differ heavily, with Youtubers (usually) talking in a presentative manner and speaking very clearly.

I think the way people talk in private phone calls, as well as the call audio quality, are much more similar to that of someone speaking to an assistant.

Re:Why GitHub Won by TheKarateKid on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @11:08AM (#41512087)
Google Voice was also supposed to revolutionize how many parts of cell phone service were to be provided -- signing in to an account instead of SIM cards, multiple phone numbers on one device, visual voicemail, advanced calling features. Android was supposed to be the vehicle of delivery.

In fact, Google Voice on Android was supposed to make calls via data-only (no minutes usage) on a smartphone, but carriers would not allow Google to do that. Hence the strange random-number dialing which utilizes a 3 way call to make a 2 way call by default. Years later, they quietly allowed calls over data but by then GV was already on lifesupport.

Re:Why GitHub Won by glenstein on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:48PM (#41492757)
Same here. I'm equal parts glad and puzzled that it hasn't been killed. I genuinely don't know what I would replace it with.
Re:Why GitHub Won by delichon on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:16PM (#41493989)
I used it since a few years before Google bought GrandCentral in '07. A couple of years ago I moved to voip.ms as part of my de-googling and am happy with it. There are oodles of such providers.
Re:Why GitHub Won by sureIy on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @01:04AM (#41497319)
Oodles of providers that give you a permanent US number for free?
Re:Why GitHub Won by delichon on Thursday September 12, 2024 @10:25AM (#41521373)
I didn't look for a free option after leaving Google Voice. I'm happy to pay the low cost to be the customer instead of the product. Same with gmail to fastmail.
Re:Why GitHub Won by selimthegrim on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:07PM (#41493877)
Does Sprint even exist anymore
Re:Why GitHub Won by bobthepanda on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:55PM (#41495131)
no, Sprint was folded into T-mobile.

The only reason that merger was even allowed to happen was because it was extremely clear that Sprint would not have been a going concern into the next year if it would stay independent.

Re:Why GitHub Won by kelnos on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:00PM (#41495186)
And as a result, T-Mobile has gotten worse, because now they don't have to try as hard to compete with AT&T and Verizon.

I feel like Sprint failing may have been better for the market; I expect more Sprint customers would have switched to AT&T or Verizon than to T-Mobile, and T-Mobile would still have to fight for customers.

Instead, T-Mo has jacked up prices just like everyone else, reduced nice perks, and their "uncarrier" movement is but a memory.

Re:Why GitHub Won by saurik on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:08PM (#41493901)
Hush now, don't remind them of it!! ;P

In all seriousness, though: if I were a user of Google Voice, I'd be seriously concerned that they would shut it down in a way that caused me to lose access to my phone number (even if only indirectly, as happened recently with their divesture of Google Domains or whatever their registrar was called)... you are much braver than I ;P.

Re:Why GitHub Won by InvaderFizz on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:30PM (#41495437)
I wouldn't worry about voice. They offer it as a paid feature of GSuite to business customers. It's not going anywhere.
Re:Why GitHub Won by maxwell on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @11:06AM (#41501518)
They're now calling it "Google Workspace" for the moment.

Like Google Domains?

https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6069226

Re:Why GitHub Won by paradox460 on Monday September 09, 2024 @08:02PM (#41495711)
Sprint is T-Mobile now
Re:Why GitHub Won by buu700 on Monday September 09, 2024 @11:37PM (#41496939)
I've been burned by Google too many times, but I'm definitely thankful for them continuing to maintain Voice, and even actively improving it over the last few years. I've been using it as my primary phone number since the GrandCentral days, so it'd be a pretty big pain to have the rug pulled out from under me at this point.

It would also be pretty shortsighted from a business perspective, IMO. Voice could still be extended to compete with iMessage and WhatsApp, like they sort of tried to do back when they were going to merge it with Hangouts.

Re:Why GitHub Won by sureIy on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @01:03AM (#41497313)
> compete with iMessage and WhatsApp,

God please no more messaging apps from Google for the love of god.

Re:Why GitHub Won by buu700 on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @01:06AM (#41497330)
lol, I'm certainly not advocating for that, but I'd rather they release 100 new messaging apps than kill Google Voice.
Re:Why GitHub Won by tracker1 on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @01:40PM (#41503429)
I think there is/are some executives at Google/Alphabet that utilize GV so much that they couldn't kill it if they wanted to. I used to have a voip device that worked with my GV number, and Google extended the life of the API used several years, I since stopped using that device and the service had still been working for it.

I do miss when GV and SMS were integrated with Hangouts though... was imo a much better experience than you get today with all the broken out apps.

Re:Why GitHub Won by no_wizard on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:33PM (#41492548)
Fiber is also still running, somehow. I don’t think they’re expanding much if at all but I’m shocked it hasn’t been sold off.

Frankly, I’m just as shocked they didn’t go full throttle with it either, because talk about a data selling gold mine with all that traffic

While I’m on that subject, it could have been a real opportunity for them to push fiber + YouTube TV as a package. Google isn’t good at making original content but at some point they have made a software + services play that makes such a package more palatable and user friendly, imagine subscribing to a YouTube channel and it becomes a channel as part of the TV app for instance. A lot of people watch channels like this as it is.

Re:Why GitHub Won by cymor on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:41PM (#41493517)
They've been expanding again, and are now offering 8gbps in my area. I've been very happy with it, and I'm still only paying $70/month.
Re:Why GitHub Won by manmal on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:52PM (#41494418)
That’s absolutely amazing. Besides hosting at home, do you feel any difference vs say a 1gbps line? Surely most servers won’t saturate this when downloading or browsing?
Re:Why GitHub Won by kstrauser on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:20PM (#41494771)
Our ISP (Sonic) offers 10Gb uncapped for $50/mo.

I don't feel any difference over our previous 1G service, other than it never lags, even if multiple kids are streaming video and I have a backup running. The biggest difference is that it's half the price of the 1G service that ran over AT&T's fiber.

Re:Why GitHub Won by nickstinemates on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:59PM (#41495181)
I really wish Sonic would expand out to West Marin. My only options are comcast and starlink.
Re:Why GitHub Won by kstrauser on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:17PM (#41495344)
Ouch. I was ecstatic when they started offering service in my neighborhood in Alameda.
Re:Why GitHub Won by runevault on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:57PM (#41493731)
Google Fiber is actually working on expanding to where I live, I keep getting ads on Youtube for it.
Re:Why GitHub Won by kelnos on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:01PM (#41495194)
> talk about a data selling gold mine with all that traffic

IIRC, Google doesn't sell user data. But it's plenty valuable to them all locked up.

Re:Why GitHub Won by scarface_74 on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:08PM (#41495258)
Google literally abandoned Fiber in at least one city and left roads in disrepair via “shallow trenching”

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights...

Re:Why GitHub Won by otteromkram on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:37PM (#41492594)
Search?

DuckDuckGo is great for most purposes.

The best product Google has is Maps. That's about it.

Re:Why GitHub Won by Dwedit on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:44PM (#41492686)
DuckDuckGo is literally Bing but with location-based ads added to the bottom of your search results.
Re:Why GitHub Won by Retric on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:21PM (#41494779)
When did that change? I haven’t tested it in a while, but in the past DuckDuckGo indexed some stuff that wasn’t on Bing.

I’ve been using Google and Duck on different kinds of searches these days, because neither is universally better but I might try Bing again.

Edit: NM, Bings UI is still annoying. It slides stuff in from the side when you scroll down.

Re:Why GitHub Won by latexr on Monday September 09, 2024 @08:20PM (#41495828)
> When did that change?

It didn’t. The person you’re replying to is either exaggerating or uninformed.

Maybe give Ecosia a try. The interface is decent and I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the results.

Re:Why GitHub Won by pb7 on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @12:19PM (#41502474)
You're right, it didn't change. It was always just a thin wrapper around Bing.
Re:Why GitHub Won by Arisaka1 on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @04:43AM (#41498609)
>The best product Google has is Maps. That's about it.

Are we just going to pretend that Chrome and Android don't exist just like that, or do I have a different definition of "has"?