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Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by brookst on Saturday September 07, 2024 @10:46AM (#41474206)
…or use higher-level packet analysis to filter DoH.
Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by ronsor on Saturday September 07, 2024 @11:38AM (#41474501)
That kind of DPI is computationally expensive to the point China doesn't even do it much.
Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by myrandomcomment on Saturday September 07, 2024 @02:32PM (#41475530)
OMG, they very much do. It is not on 100% of the traffic but at any given time a more then smaller % is subject to DPI.
Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by inkyoto on Saturday September 07, 2024 @09:00PM (#41477464)
Not anymore and mainland Chinese manufacturers sell them on in large numbers to autocratic governments.

Such devices have a pretty simple architecture: the highly performant data plane where DPI is implemented in the hardware (using either ASIC's or FPGA's – don't have enough information), and the control plane. The control plane comes with a SDK of sorts that DPI appliance users can use to tailor the appliance to their environment and that is used to «refine» the data plane behaviour, i.e. sending down / updating DPI pattern matching / processing rules.

Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by zamadatix on Saturday September 07, 2024 @02:59PM (#41475690)
With HTTP/3 there isn't much higher level packet analysis to do between anything useful in the headers being encrypted and the session being reused. All you see is there is a 443 UDP session to a Google server and encrypted packets keep getting sent back and forth... which looks exactly like any other HTTP/3 session to a Google server.

I think the weak points are wholly untechnical e.g. Google would often give in to protect the $$$ they make in a region.

Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by toast0 on Saturday September 07, 2024 @03:10PM (#41475758)
Packet size (i forget if http/3 does padding) and packet rates are still available, dns looks a lot different than most http content.
Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by zarzavat on Sunday September 08, 2024 @01:12AM (#41478332)
In terms of packet size, DNS (DoH) doesn’t really look any different to an XHR request.
Re:Malaysia started mandating ISPs to redirect DNS queries t... by toast0 on Sunday September 08, 2024 @02:09AM (#41478518)
Request maybe, DoH responses are probably way shorter than anything else though.