Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by WalterBright on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @01:48PM
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What was America like before capitalists? and after? Where did all that wealth come from, comrade?
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Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by Apocryphon on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @02:34PM
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Did you know there used to be people who lived on that land
Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by WalterBright on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:35PM
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I missed the railroads, steel industries, chip manufacturers, iphones, etc. that were looted from those people?
BTW, studies of the bones of pre-Columbian Indians shows they worked hard and suffered from periodic famines, as well as a lot of violence.
Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by Apocryphon on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:44PM
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Therein lies the commonality between all economic systems: where there are people, there is the taking.
Industries tend to require raw materials, which many times are located in or around land.
Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by WalterBright on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @08:32PM
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Free markets are not built around taking. They are built around exchanging.
Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by Apocryphon on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @08:36PM
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Ah, the starry-eyed utopianism. Marxists and Objectivists are truly funhouse mirror images; they may look completely different from one another, but both belong at the carnival.
Free markets are a ideal which has never been achieved, much like socialism. There is, and never has been, a market without regulation, and with only voluntary participation and without stolen goods being exchanged.
Those things weren't looted from the natives.
But the profits were looted from the workers who actually built all that stuff.
Capitalists aren't the ones hammering in steel spikes or wearing clean-room fab suits.
Re:Mondragon as the New City-State
by anonfordays on Sunday September 15, 2024 @01:44PM
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But White people brought diversity, and diversity is strength! They brought doctors, lawyers, and engineers! Food carts on every corner!
Or maybe the people that used to live there shouldn't have let so many migrants in.