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Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by quotemstr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:28AM (#41442844)
Or maybe I just want my local email cache to be reasonably up-to-date when I take my laptop out of my backpack. Why is that such a bad thing?
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by adezxc on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:33AM (#41442875)
Because the companies making the laptop recommend you to shutdown the laptop before puttint it into your backpack.

[1] - https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/faq-mode...

EDIT: Added source cited in the article

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by quotemstr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:36AM (#41442896)
That's CYA nonsense, up there with "Q-tips aren't for cleaning ears". (Yes, they are.) Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag.
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by lelanthran on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:45AM (#41442940)
> Nobody actually shuts down his laptop before chucking it in his bag.

I do. I had a few poor experiences with laptops accidentally turning on while in the bag between 1995 and 2010.

After the last time, in 2010, when the thing started beeping due to overheating, I started the habit of shutting down/hibernating completely instead of just closing the lid and popping it into the bag.

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by creshal on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:32AM (#41443639)
Laptops still occasionally do that. I'm kind of impressed that they manage to keep chugging even when the lack of airflow keeps them at >90°C for the entire time it takes for either me to notice that they turned back on, or drain their battery.
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by rcxdude on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:10AM (#41443097)
They don't, but the problem is the laptop manufacturers and/or Microsoft have fucked up the implementation sufficiently that it's no longer a safe operation.
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by okasaki on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:23AM (#41443163)
I learned to turn my XPS 17 off after it almost cooked itself in my backpack a few times.

What an awful laptop.

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by djtango on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:59AM (#41443428)
I have opened my backpack to find it very hot because my laptop accumulated a bunch of heat in its cushioned pouch and subsequently drained all it's battery
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by zelphirkalt on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:52AM (#41444127)
It is not nonsense. I had my laptop turning on from sleep mode inside my bag and getting really hot, because of idiotic Windows 7 settings back then, which turned the device on, when networks changed. It is just ridiculous. Probably still in there that default. Since that day, I always shutdown my device completely.

Don't conclude from your own carelessness to others. Even just one person shutting down their laptop will instantly disprove your claim, that "nobody does XYZ". So you will basically almost always be wrong with such a statement/claim.

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by carlob on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @09:04AM (#41445220)
I know more than one person who ended in the ER with a perforated eardrum because of qtips. I honestly don't understand why we haven't outlawed them yet (in countries with universal healthcare, in the US you could just have a more expensive health insurance if you choose to use them).
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by haspok on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:30AM (#41442858)
Good for you. But I don't want that.

At the moment, the user cannot choose, but is forced to be always "on".

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by quotemstr on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:33AM (#41442874)
The user can choose to use operating systems and applications that let him configure which apps get to run in the background and at which times. You don't want email updates while asleep? Configure your OS to implement this policy. There's no reason that hardware makers should continue to support multiple and legacy sleep modes like S3 just because OS vendors don't give users appropriate policy knobs in software.
Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by haspok on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @03:41AM (#41442919)
Why is S3 "legacy"? Just because Microsoft says so?

When it is working, S3 sleep covers my needs perfectly. And it is not about email updates. I don't want my laptop to do anything while in sleep. It's that simple.

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by michaelt on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:53AM (#41443386)
You're right. Why should hardware vendors target operating systems that exist?

Sure, S0 on Windows makes your laptop turn on in your bag for impossible-to-disable updates, causing it to overheat or the battery to run down. And no laptops on the market will S0 on Linux without running down the battery in less than 24 hours.

Why should hardware vendors mollycoddle users who make the foolish decision to use either Windows or Linux?

Re:State of S3 – Your Laptop is no Laptop anymore – a person... by zelphirkalt on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:53AM (#41444142)
So much better to have the battery drain in sleep mode, than clicking "get messages" button a single time once you use your laptop again.