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Re:The Engineering of Landfills by cogman10 on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:03PM (#41439178)
Point taken. Though I do wonder how much of the methane released is from plastic decomposition and how much of it is from food/biomaterial decomposition. I'd naively assume the primary emission would come from readily decomposable materials and that most plastics would remain fairly stable for a lot longer than yesterday's half eaten hamburger.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:32PM (#41439465)
Indeed, waste sorting might improve the situation, but all available evidence indicates there is no will to do this (caveats being parts of Europe, Japan, the Nordics, and anywhere else diverse multi stream waste management can be effectively operated), which leads me to believe gasification is the superior path (with a bypass stream for glass, brick, earth, rock, and metals, primarily to prevent process efficiency reduction during gasification but also for reuse of those materials).

Hardly the best solution, but I argue the least worst solution. Landfilling is just too much risk considering leaching from lining failures (putting water tables and aquifers at risk from permanent contamination) and the lifetime of methane destruction that must be accounted for.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by ianburrell on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:53PM (#41439667)
What has been successful in my city, Portland, is separating the food and yard waste. The food and yard wastes are composted. Composting produces methane, but there is a trial to capture the methane which is burned as natural gas.

Capturing methane from compost should be easier than whole landfill. It also keeps the organics instead of losing them.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by eru on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @12:11AM (#41441829)
You don't really lose anything in a landfill. You just lock it up for a while.

We can 'mine' landfills in the future, if that becomes economically viable.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by actionfromafar on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:00AM (#41444194)
A wrinkle I read somewhere - organics in traditional landfills kept toxic materials like heavy metals "locked up", less risk of such stuff leeching out in the ground water.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by eru on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @12:10AM (#41441818)
What benefit would you get from gasification compared to just straight up burning the trash?
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by toomuchtodo on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @12:18AM (#41441856)
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by eru on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @12:20AM (#41441866)
Reads like it's worth than just straight up incineration. At least with current technologies. (Apart from perhaps the installation on that American military ship. Maybe. But that's just because they have unusual requirements.)
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by bluGill on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @01:37PM (#41448373)
I'm generally down on sorting unless you have a lot of one particular type of waste. If you are not generating a full truck worth of that type of waste every week sorting efforts mean more trucks (since the truck with compartments for each type cannot hold as much waste because of the compartments, and also it has to go empty when one compartment fills). Combine that with the need verify the sorting was done correctly and it isn't worth it. We have made trade progress on automated sorting machines that solve a lot of problems - lets instead ban things that cannot be automatically sorted.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by CRConrad on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:34AM (#41486254)
You're repeating yourself:

> parts of Europe, Japan, the Nordics

The Nordics are a part of Europe.

DRY! :-)

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by throwaway2037 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:25AM (#41444363)

    > plastic decomposition
As I understand, most plastic is type 1 and 2 (PET bottles and such), and it never decomposes (on any reasonable human timeframe).