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Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by KK7NIL on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @03:29PM (#41438297)
> in our West African sample, they were more likely to describe them as morally good and causally powerful.

Believing voices in our head are causally powerful (as in deities) really reminds me of the theory of consciousness appearing from the collapse of the bicameral mind. Here's a good introduction to this idea: https://youtu.be/lgnMyF-o0sQ

Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by finnh on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @04:29PM (#41438889)
Came here to say the same thing. Excellent book, a thought-provoking read for sure
Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by AlbertCory on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @04:34PM (#41438922)
The great thing about that book was: once you understood the title, you didn't really need to read the book.
Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by Suppafly on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @04:59PM (#41439139)
>The great thing about that book was: once you understood the title, you didn't really need to read the book.

Seriously, it's something I've never thought about, but once you hear "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" you kinda know what the theory is and it makes sense.

Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by jl6 on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:08PM (#41439219)
The thesis seems understandable to me from the title, but I couldn’t tell you whether we should believe it or not. I assume the content of the book provides evidence and justification. I assume, because I haven’t read it either.
Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by AlbertCory on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:23PM (#41439383)
I did read it. Also, a recent summary of "the world since Jaynes" (forgot the link)

They did say that he had something there. AFAIK they didn't say that he spawned a whole field of research, though.

Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by Suppafly on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:32PM (#41439463)
>but I couldn’t tell you whether we should believe it or not. I assume the content of the book provides evidence and justification

I assume the same. It's just that there is something nice about a theory that basically tells you the core of what you need to know from the name of it.

Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by AlbertCory on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @12:48PM (#41447844)
Hollywood dialog:

"We're making a new movie. It's called 'Snakes on a Plane' "

"Oh? What's it about?"

Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by BobaFloutist on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @08:10PM (#41440562)
Wait this guy's saying that humans weren't conscious prior to ~2000 BCE? That's at the very least quite an extraordinary claim.
Re:How the psychiatric narrative hinders those who hear voices by KK7NIL on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @09:25PM (#41440985)
It's an outsider view, but it is thought provoking, worth digesting. The mechanism and data (both historic and current) are more concrete than other theories of consciousness I'm aware of (although I'm no expert).

Consciousness might not be as essential to the human experience as is generally believed now a days. What percentage of the day are we really engaged in conscious rational thought anyways? And is it really what makes us human, or do subconscious processes play a much bigger role in the human experience than reason?