News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by gosub100 on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @02:53PM (#41437895)
This is my argument against recycling. It is not sustainable to recover a tiny amount of energy when balanced with the extra diesel-guzzling truck traversing the neighborhood. All so we can think we're "making a difference" by keeping plastic bottles out of a landfill.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by coding123 on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @03:10PM (#41438095)
Maybe someone should write a book about virtue signaling and it's dangers.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by burnished on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @03:58PM (#41438569)
The real danger is allowing corporate mouthpieces to pollute our discourse with propaganda and outright lies.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by supportengineer on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @03:15PM (#41438147)
It would be difficult to promote such a book by word-of-mouth.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by gosub100 on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @05:25PM (#41439396)
I think people generally want to do what they feel is right. The problem lies in 1) the use of propaganda to force blanket solutions to what they pose as the problem and 2) not using evidence-based scientific methods.

for 1) various groups show heart-breaking images of wildlife suffering due to pollution, then work to mobilize the outrage into their solution. for 2), recycling programs should have had metrics, such as lbs of plastic "saved" from the landfill, energy saved from collecting cans, but also the counterpoints such as "tons of CO2 emitted by recycling trucks", and "dollars removed from poor people when local cash-for-cans businesses are shuttered". If the data show they emit more CO2 equivalent than they save, then they should concede that the program has failed. If the program needs a jump-start before it is "ecologically profitable", they should say so and agree to cancel the program if their goals aren't met by X date.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by gruez on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @04:30PM (#41438898)
>extra diesel-guzzling truck

At least where I live, the garbage trucks have split compartments which means there's no additional trucks.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by bluGill on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @04:37PM (#41438943)
Still additional trucks as the truck cannot hold as much - one compartment will fill faster than the other.
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by maxerickson on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @06:36PM (#41440028)
Are you sure? The truck goes a couple of miles on 7 pounds of diesel, how much material is it able to recover in a couple of miles?
Re:The Engineering of Landfills by kergonath on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @11:14AM (#41446739)
> It is not sustainable to recover a tiny amount of energy when balanced with the extra diesel-guzzling truck traversing the neighborhood.

It’s a good thing we have electric motors, then. An additional benefit is that they are much less likely to wake you up when they get your bins at 5am.

Re:The Engineering of Landfills by gosub100 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @01:24PM (#41448254)
Exactly. Recycling shouldn't be implemented if it uses dirty energy. There should be accounting and accountability. Don't pretend an operation is green unless it really is.