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Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by bjornsing on Monday September 02, 2024 @04:35AM (#41423653)
From Wikipedia: “Some observers consider Stora Enso to be the oldest limited liability company in the world”.

Interesting, especially considering that Sweden didn’t have limited liability companies until 1st of January 1849 [1]. Any ideas how this worked?

1. https://www.foretagskallan.se/foretagskallan-nyheter/lektion...

Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by throw0101d on Monday September 02, 2024 @08:10AM (#41424776)
> Interesting, especially considering that Sweden didn’t have limited liability companies until 1st of January 1849 [1]. Any ideas how this worked?

Legal personhood dates back to (at least) Ancient Rome:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

Medieval guilds, city charters, universities were all forms of such. Liability would be implicitly included in such structures.

Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by ftrobro on Monday September 02, 2024 @05:07AM (#41423809)
I assume the charter issued by the king in 1347 declared limitations of liability for the owners of the company.
Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by victorbjorklund on Monday September 02, 2024 @08:28AM (#41424868)
That was when Sweden got a more general law of limited liability cooperations. There existed limited liability cooperations before that but they were created on an ad hoc basis by the government.
Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by nucleardog on Monday September 02, 2024 @09:07AM (#41425090)
It was likely created by an act of government/royalty/etc.

The UK law formalizing the structure of LLCs didn't really come around until the 1800s. Think of how many institutions in the UK are older than that (e.g., Bank of England is from 1694).

Or for something that is a little more distinct from the government itself--Hudson's Bay Company in Canada was formed in 1670. Canada didn't exist yet and the laws weren't on the books. It was created by royal charter. It's currently owned by an American private investment firm.

Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by hinkley on Monday September 02, 2024 @11:32AM (#41426298)
Back then if you pissed off the king he could revoke your charter.

So effectively we used to have the death penalty for companies that committed treason-adjacent acts, or killed customers.

Re:How the Oldest Company in the World Survived Nearly 1,500... by FredPret on Monday September 02, 2024 @12:06PM (#41426588)
Interesting idea - although wouldn't it have been the government that could, and still can, bring down the corporate death penalty if annoyed?

I think even back then the kings were losing power to the governments that ruled in their name.

It's also interesting to note that some of Europe's colonizing was actually done by companies which had armies, and definitely killed at least some of their customers (whether you think the customers were the colonizers or the colonized).