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Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by throwaway48476 on Saturday August 31, 2024 @09:48PM (#41413547)
A proper decentralized publishing platform would be content addressed not federated which retains all the downsides of centralization.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by pfraze on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:02PM (#41413616)
The bluesky team worked previously on IPFS and Dat/Hypercore and Secure Scuttlebutt. Whyrusleeping - one of the core authors of IPFS - has been an active technical advisor from the start. ATProto is basically those p2p & content addressed techs moved into the server stack. None of us are bullish on client side p2p for large scale publishing or social applications, and we spent 10 years each doing that.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by throwaway48476 on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:15PM (#41413668)
P2P is hard, but that does not mean undesirable.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by pfraze on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:24PM (#41413712)
Feel free to pick up where we left off, but just know that you're in for a lot of pain on key sync, device pairing, unreliable data availability, poor connection establishment latency, high end-user device resource usage, and very small data indexes which make it nearly impossible to produce even moderately-sized social networks.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by kelnos on Sunday September 01, 2024 @05:18AM (#41415439)
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. It's not just hard, but the user experience with it is just terrible. The masses will not use it. If the masses will not use something that requires network effects to be successful, there's no point. These problems may be solvable, but I think I'd trust the opinions of people who have worked on it for years and decided to do something else.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by evbogue on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:15PM (#41413669)
One can authenticate message integrity on the client side and the server side, it doesn't have to be a trade-off. The same is true for encryption and decryption.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by kevinak on Sunday September 01, 2024 @02:37PM (#41419170)
I'd love to hear what the Bluesky team thinks of Nostr. It seems pretty damning to me that a founder of Bluesky is now talking up the latter.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by renewedrebecca on Sunday September 01, 2024 @08:23PM (#41421453)
Dorsey didn't like the idea of moderation, which sure, probably isn't necessary for a while billionaire guy to feel safe.
Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by verdverm on Monday September 02, 2024 @08:40AM (#41424945)
Nostr is tied to the crypto coin crowd, which is largely off-putting to most people

Dorsey is certainly focused on that realm

Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by pcfreak30 on Monday September 02, 2024 @11:42AM (#41426393)
nostr's protocol is also fairly unstructured compared to atproto. ive researched bluesky, farcaster, and nostr, and their cultural origins have definitely impacted how they have approached their designs.

There is no predicting what approaches will win, but those 3 are the current viable options I think.

FYI I am part of the crypto crowd myself, but I am a SWE looking at these systems, not a CT gambler, lol.

Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by BlueTemplar on Friday September 06, 2024 @05:25AM (#41464438)
Oh, so what about the origins of Bluesky by the same founder(s) as Twitter ?

That alone gave me pause, as Twitter ended up as one of the most despicable platforms we have to suffer today (and yes, those issues are inherent in its nature, and long predate Musk buying it). But I guess that they might have learned from their mistakes this time ??

Re:Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky by pfraze on Monday September 02, 2024 @12:11PM (#41426617)
Dorsey funded Bluesky and not much else.