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Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by dmix on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:02PM (#41402576)
This seems to be a rehashing of the WSJ article on the connection between Telegram and spies, which is much better:

https://www.wsj.com/world/who-is-pavel-durov-telegram-founde...

https://archive.is/FFPt2

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by f0ney on Friday August 30, 2024 @06:04PM (#41404931)
Thanks for sharing the link. The WSJ story is indeed more informative.
Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by aranw on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:02PM (#41402572)
I would happily switch to an alternative if they were good alternatives.

The user experience on Telegram is amazing, the responsiveness, messages arrive instantly on all devices, the apps are feature rich and just work

Nothing can compete to how good it is

I'm perhaps lucky in that I don't need the security and privacy of a service like Signal

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by tapoxi on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:09PM (#41402629)
Signal works just fine, but Signal Desktop doesn't bring over old messages, since they're not stored in the cloud.

Given the number of data breaches the world experiences, I don't want every message thread I'm in available in plaintext on some company's servers. Just imagine an AI processing every conversation you've ever had.

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by 627467 on Friday August 30, 2024 @03:35PM (#41403787)
I could imagine easy msg duplication over multiple devices to be a operational vulnerability. But honestly: most people don't need to worry about opsec. And it is very annoying that signal can't allow multidevice and data duplication, even Whatsapp solved that now
Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by tapoxi on Friday August 30, 2024 @08:36PM (#41405797)
It would be nice if Signal supported that, and one day maybe it will, but it's not a dealbreaker for me. My linked devices have all the conversations I care about.

What I do care about is that I'm the only one that can read these messages and that they're a nonprofit funded by donations.

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by dmichulke on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:03PM (#41402584)
Hmm, some company has servers where communication is stored, therefore it's an intelligence agency?

I think the author is just widening the definition (of intelligence agency) here and/or speculating.

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by Glacia on Friday August 30, 2024 @12:50PM (#41402461)
Fun fact: Recently FSB database on border crossings from 2014 to 2023 was leaked online and Durov visited Russia 50 times since 2015. In fact, he was in Russia the day the telegram was unblocked. I wonder why?
Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by eitland on Friday August 30, 2024 @12:51PM (#41402466)
Care to link to the leaks?

I've heard similar stories on and off but if you post the link you'd be the first to let me know the source.

Not saying it isn't true. Only pointing out I have not seen the source yet.

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by mananaysiempre on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:06PM (#41402602)
The database itself doesn’t seem to be publically available (yet, I guess). Original reporting (in Russian):

The announcement of the leak (by Zakharov[1]) was in https://t.me/zakharovchannel/1418.

Alburov[2], former head investigative journalist at Navalny’s ACF[3], confirmed(/bragged) that the the data matched their publications in https://x.com/alburov/status/1828143239615947234.

The source for most of the news articles on Durov specifically, published in iStories[4], is https://istories.media/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-priezzhal....

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Zakharov_(journalist)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Alburov

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Corruption_Foundation

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IStories

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by Glacia on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:01PM (#41402563)
Here is a Russian source (Use google translate): https://storage.googleapis.com/istories/news/2024/08/27/pave...

The DB was sold on darknet for huge money (200 000$+).

First person to report about this leak was this guy: https://t.me/zakharovchannel/1416?single

Multiple people so far have confirmed it's a real DB.

Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by protomolecule on Friday August 30, 2024 @12:57PM (#41402520)
Rumors are that it costs 270000 USD, but apparently a couple of aggregators have bought it.
Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by aftbit on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:23PM (#41402767)
Interesting that the author highlights Telegram as associated with crypto bros and the far right. In my circles, Telegram is most known as used by whistleblowers and uncensored Ukraine war reporters. I suppose this is the obvious niche for "alternative" platforms - take anything that's banned or downranked on the mainstream platforms but for which there is still a substantial consumer demand.
Re:Telegram as an Independent Intelligence Agency by api on Friday August 30, 2024 @01:41PM (#41402907)
It's heavily used by a ton of people in Ukraine, which is probably quite unwise given the strong circumstantial evidence for it being compromised by Russia.