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Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by potatolicious on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @09:57PM (#4140106)
Can't we say the same things about just about any business?

> "but there's a difference between an occasional indulgence"

Indeed...

> "and the business model that depends utterly on persuading the most persuadable people to harm themselves, for no other reason that they were persuadable"

You've lost me. You compare McDonald's to Philip Morris - even though one produces a highly addictive substance and the other produces (crappy) hamburgers. Last I checked, burgers are non-addictive.

In what way is McDonald's core business model dependent on something more than "occasional indulgence"? If we are to play the game that a business can only succeed if people are mindlessly, constantly, repetitively consuming its products, then we should be beating down the doors of, say, Redbox. After all, their business model works best if everyone sat on their asses all day doing nothing but watch movies.

I do not see the argument at all that McDonald's business hinges on the abusively high consumption of their foods. They are in no way worse than any number of peddlers of less-than-healthy foods. Where is the outrage for Ben & Jerry's? Frito Lay? Campbell's?

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by panacea on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @10:36PM (#4140239)
> Last I checked, burgers are non-addictive.

"A growing body of medical research at leading universities and government laboratories suggests that processed foods and sugary drinks made by the likes of PepsiCo Inc. and Kraft Foods Inc. aren’t simply unhealthy. They can hijack the brain in ways that resemble addictions to cocaine, nicotine and other drugs.

“The data is so overwhelming the field has to accept it,” said Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. “We are finding tremendous overlap between drugs in the brain and food in the brain.”"

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-11/fatty-foods-addi...

Not saying the science is done, but there's a strong possibility that burgers are addictive.

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by tptacek on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @10:39PM (#4140245)
The fries are probably more perilous (unfortunately, also the one thing they do really well). The full-sugar soda is probably just straight-up toxic.
Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by peterwwillis on Thursday June 21, 2012 @01:58AM (#4140730)
Toxically delicious!

Surprisingly, Sweet Tea (otherwise known as would-you-like-some-water-with-your-sugar in the south) has about 15 grams less carbs in the large than a Coke. I think I might never order another coke again.

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by tptacek on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @10:06PM (#4140125)
Nobody lives on Ben & Jerry's.

Frito Lay is possibly even more morally fraught than McDonalds, since a large part of their business involves marketing themselves into kids lunches.

I'm not sure where Campbells comes into this. It's not great soup, but it's soup.

Obviously, there are people who think there's nothing wrong with a particularly successful marketing campaign for an unhealthful product. There are plenty of people who think there's nothing immoral about selling cigarettes.

I don't think less of those people, but I strongly disagree with them.

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by mbesto on Thursday June 21, 2012 @02:58AM (#4140861)
I think what you're trying to illustrate is the systematic risk many of these companies fail to recognize. Or they recognize them and its in the best interest not to do anything about it.

This is the same thing as pointing to the banks for selling CDOs. Risky for the banks? No. Risky for the whole system to collapse? Yes. Since systematic risks are largely not direct risks they never get counted as risks to begin with, and therefore do not impact decision making.

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by Hytosys on Thursday June 21, 2012 @02:00AM (#4140734)
The real issue is that individuals lack self control and maintain ignorance, which leads to poor health related decisions. I see where you are coming from, but I insist that people should rely only on themselves in these cases. Placing the blame on businesses or government is particularly irresponsible. Note that I am not insinuating you make these poor health decisions, because clearly you are aware.
Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by ktizo on Thursday June 21, 2012 @08:17AM (#4141584)
Businesses have thrown billions at turning the psychological research on persuasion into money and in the process have turned propaganda from an art into a science. They have a significant edge over the individual on this and have done it quite deliberately and in full knowledge of the aims, process and outcomes of these actions. I think they can afford to take some of the blame for the consequences.
Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by gensym on Saturday June 23, 2012 @01:14AM (#4150117)
Indeed. It seems reasonable to hold partially accountable for customers' choices any business that employs psychologists for the purpose of creating new or cementing existing customers.
Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by ArtB on Thursday June 21, 2012 @07:15AM (#4141389)
> Last I checked, burgers are non-addictive.

Well fats are addictive. Not in the you will die from withdrawl like heroin or alcohol way, but in the way that gamblings and sex is.

Re:Why Your McD's Burger Doesn't Look Like the One in the Ad by TheSOB88 on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @11:08PM (#4140350)
The burgers are addictive, man. The craving, the feeling of being overcome by the desire to consume when you get one, the shitty feeling you get afterwards and yet still continue to eat it - that's addiction, bro.

And like the other guy said - it's backed up by science too. The insane amounts of fat, salt, and sugar spike the reward processors in the brain WAY past what they're built for. They are hacking you.