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Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by ein0p on Thursday August 29, 2024 @01:44PM (#41393384)
These are some interesting mental gymnastics. Zuckerberg literally publicly admitted the other day that he was forced by the government to censor things without a legal basis. Musk disclosed a whole trove of emails about the same at Twitter. And you’re still “not so sure”? What would it take for you to gain more certainty in such an outcome?
Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by vundercind on Thursday August 29, 2024 @02:51PM (#41394103)
Haven’t looked into the Zuckerberg thing yet but everything I’ve seen of the “Twitter Files” has done more to convince me that nothing inappropriate or bad was happening, than that it was. And if those selective-releases were supposed to be the worst of it? Doubly so. Where’s the bad bit (that doesn’t immediately stop looking bad if you read the surrounding context whoever’s saying it’s bad left out)?
Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by ein0p on Thursday August 29, 2024 @03:08PM (#41394277)
Means you haven’t really looked into the Twitter files. They were literally holding meetings with the government officials and were told what to censor and who to ban. That’s plainly unconstitutional and heads should roll for this.
Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by kstrauser on Thursday August 29, 2024 @03:22PM (#41394393)
How did the government force Facebook to comply with their demands, as opposed to going along with them voluntarily?
Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by ein0p on Thursday August 29, 2024 @03:42PM (#41394565)
This is obviously not a real question, so instead of answering I propose we conduct a thought experiment. The year is 2028, and Zuck had a change of heart and fully switched sides. Facebook, Threads, and Instagram now block the news of Barron Trump’s drug use, of his lavishly compensated board seat on the board of Russia’s Gazprom, and bans the dominant electoral candidate off social media. In addition it allows the spread of a made up dossier (funded by the RNC) about Kamala Harris’ embarrassing behavior with male escorts in China.

What you should ask yourself is this: irrespective of whether compliance is voluntary or not, is political censorship on social media OK? And what kind of a logical knot one must contort one’s mind into to suggest that this is the second coming of net neutrality? Personally I think the mere fact that the government is able to lean on a private company like that is damning AF.

Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by kstrauser on Thursday August 29, 2024 @03:54PM (#41394657)
You're grouping lots of unrelated things.

All large sites have terms of service. If you violate them, you might be removed, even if you're "the dominant electoral candidate". Remember, no one is above the law, or in the case, the rules that a site wishes to enforce.

I'm not a fan of political censorship (unless that means enforcing the same ToS that everyone else is held to, in which case, go for it). Neither am I for the radical notion of legislation telling a private organization that they must host content that they don't wish to.

This has zero to do with net neutrality. Nothing. Nada.

Is there evidence that the government leaned on a private company instead of meeting with them and asking them to do a thing? Did Facebook feel coerced into taking actions they wouldn't have willingly done otherwise?

Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by oceanplexian on Thursday August 29, 2024 @05:25PM (#41395446)
> How did the government force Facebook to comply

By asking.

The government asking you to do something is like a dangerous schoolyard bully asking for your lunch money. Except the gov has the ability to kill, imprison, and destroy. Doesn’t matter if you’re an average Joe or a Zuckerberg.

Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by Terr_ on Thursday August 29, 2024 @06:44PM (#41396103)
So it's categorically impossible for the government to make any non-coercive request or report for anything because it's the government?

I don't think that's settled law.

For example, suppose the US Postal Service opens a new location, and Google Maps has the pushpin on the wrong place or the hours are incorrect. A USPS employee submits a report/correction through normal channels. How is that trampling on Google's first-amendment rights?

Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by habinero on Thursday August 29, 2024 @10:44PM (#41397328)
Any proof that they were threatened? I've never seen any.
Re:Judges Rule Big Tech's Free Ride on Section 230 Is Over by commandlinefan on Friday August 30, 2024 @12:49PM (#41402452)
> How did the government force Facebook to comply

Everybody who paid protection to the mafia did so "voluntarily", too.