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Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by rasz on Monday August 26, 2024 @03:51PM (#41361112)
>basic human rights

- selling drugs

- selling hacking/ddossing services

- posting beheading videos, latest one had Ukrainian soldiers head on a spike

- sending cruise missile targeting coordinates to military units

According to outraged russians those all among the things French prosecutors mentioned in arrest warrant.

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by jatotebs on Monday August 26, 2024 @03:56PM (#41361179)
Drugs are sold on every platform, including Instagram. The other parts are just as likely to end up on Facebook as they are Telegram too, there really is no point in trying to make this sound like the USA-based platforms aren't utterly rife with the things you mentioned too. The only difference here is that Telegram isn't USA-owned and doesn't need to bow down to the USA Govt.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by JumpCrisscross on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:04PM (#41361295)
> only difference here is that Telegram isn't USA-owned and doesn't need to bow down to the USA Govt

The U.S. government doesn't like encrypted communications. But it's legally bound, by our Constitution and courts, in a way Paris is not.

Nobody has been fussing about Telegram in a serious way in America.

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by jatotebs on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:09PM (#41361375)
You don't think USA are remotely involved in this decision to go after Durov? Especially with France being part of the 9-Eyes alliance with USA.

Edit: I added on a mention about the close intelligence relationship between France and USA, for those not in the know.

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by JAlexoid on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:23PM (#41361596)
Telegram isn't an interesting target for US govt, as its use in the west is low. US is least likely culprit here.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by JumpCrisscross on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:14PM (#41361458)
> You don't think USA are remotely involved in this decision to go after Durov?

Not really, no. If we wanted to nab him for goodies, we'd use a country without the rule of law.

> with France being part of the 9-Eyes alliance with USA

Telegram is unencrypted by default. The IC has no reason to mess with it.

Also, it takes about a picosecond of studying Gallic-American relations to realise that Paris doesn't take instructions from Washington.

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by itake on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:11PM (#41361408)
> The only difference here is that Telegram isn't USA-owned and doesn't need to bow down to the USA Govt.

My understanding, unlike US companies, Telegram hasn't been co-operating with the EU? US companies are not perfect (see the hundreds of millions/billions of fines), but the US companies at least work with authorities.

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by artemonster on Monday August 26, 2024 @03:55PM (#41361164)
unless he personally did all of those, this is a separate issue. by the same logic you dont sue gun manufacturers for all the deaths caused by these guns.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by JumpCrisscross on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:06PM (#41361327)
> you dont sue gun manufacturers for all the deaths caused by these guns

We literally had to pass a law because people kept doing that [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_...

Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by jacobgkau on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:28PM (#41361680)
So we don't do it anymore.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by JumpCrisscross on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:45PM (#41361922)
The exception proves the rule. In general, we hold providers liable for the damage their goods and services do.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by OutOfHere on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:25PM (#41361629)
Wait till you find out and list all the crimes committed using the US dollar.
Re:Snowden: The arrest of Durov is an assault on the basic h... by rldjbpin on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @04:57AM (#41365645)
for those comparing this platform to silk road or dark web with stuff like this: there is no proof that Durov is directly involved in these activities or is promoting it.

non-cooperation with information from law enforcement of a foreign government is the same as the discourse about us-based tech not complying to chinese requests or those from US adversaries. that alone does not fly in the court of law, at least for rich and influential people.

the only thing to wonder is if there was an existing warrant issued against him in place much before he landed in france, and if so why he decided to travel there.