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Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by nicbou on Monday August 26, 2024 @04:35AM (#41355131)
This is already the case in Germany. It also applies to vacation and sick days. Above all, it's deeply ingrained in German culture, so that no one expects to reach you outside of your working hours.

I help people settle in Germany, and it's one of the main cultural aspects I cover. The other is how normal it is to take sick days.

Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by Aachen on Monday August 26, 2024 @06:04AM (#41355609)
Netherlands also

The only people that I see working 24/7 are those who run their own business, which made sense to me because everyone else has a contract that stipulates the obligations of both sides. Unless that doc says that you're expected to work outside of work hours (which sounds self-contradictory), that's not part of the agreement. I'm surprised Australia needed a law for that

Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by nicbou on Monday August 26, 2024 @11:15AM (#41357946)
The culture extends to self-employed people to an extent, but it can be hard to set boundaries for yourself when you are building your own thing.

I've been in business for 7 years and fully self-employed for 4 years. Last week was my very first vacation without my laptop.

Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by ryan69howard on Monday August 26, 2024 @08:52AM (#41356660)
Result: complete loss of freedom to have flexible working hours and use the company office space
Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by lljk_kennedy on Monday August 26, 2024 @12:56PM (#41359155)
I don't think that's true. I'm in EU and I've allowed engineers to shift their working hours based on personal circumstances - like start remotely at 7am and finish at 3PM. I also encourage engineers to take the time they need for life stuff - kids school run, doctor, physio, sick aunt, whatever - because ultimately we measure the outcome of their work, and not the sum of hours worked.

For the office space - do you mean popping into the office at odd hours, like evenings or weekends? I'd probably be encouraging my engineers to talk to me about why they need to do it and not enjoy their non-working hours. If the work is too much, we solve for that. If they're going all in on something they love, I'll want to make sure they're not on a path to maybe burning-out.

Everything in context.

Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by GJim on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @04:50AM (#41365619)
Americans really do argue for the right to be treated like dirt don't they!

I can assure you old sport, not being contactable outside working hours has nothing whatsoever to do with requesting flexible working hours. And quite why an employee would like to "use the company office space" (be in work!) outside working hours I've no idea!

Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by guywithahat on Monday August 26, 2024 @10:44PM (#41364166)
To be fair, I think it’s pretty well ingrained in most western cultures.
Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by nicbou on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @03:49AM (#41365375)
Not in the US or Canada, in my experience.
Re:Australian employees now have the right to ignore work em... by guywithahat on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @08:13PM (#41374701)
I live in the US, I’ve never heard of someone being called after work unless it was part of their job or some once in a decade emergency