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Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by a0123 on Saturday August 24, 2024 @06:37PM (#41342326)
Durov has been shilling his crypto scams while shitting on all those services you're talking about (well, at least Signal) claiming they don't do anything for privacy.

Considering how he's tarnished Signal, there is absolutely no reason for them or anyone else to back him up.

What will be very funny is the fact that Telegram is pretty much not encrypted (yeah ok, "secret chats", whatever sure) and now that investigators probably have access to Durov's phone, that lack of encryption might come back to bite him in the ass. Can't wait to know what they find and if they do find something, it might be interesting to see if he finally changes his stance.

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by foverzar on Saturday August 24, 2024 @06:52PM (#41342482)
> well, at least Signal

Basically only Signal + Whatsapp.

> claiming they don't do anything for privacy.

Well, Signal is kind of a scam in that regard.

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by codethief on Saturday August 24, 2024 @07:24PM (#41342757)
How is Signal "a kind of scam in that regard"?
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by foverzar on Saturday August 24, 2024 @08:35PM (#41343235)
Government funding?

Mandatory phone number exposure? (or did they finally implement usernames?)

A joke of a "registration lock pin" instead a proper 2FA to protect against sim-swap?

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by literallycancer on Saturday August 24, 2024 @09:04PM (#41343408)
Funding source is irrelevant.
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by Synaesthesia on Saturday August 24, 2024 @09:32PM (#41343552)
Kind of important for trust reasons.
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by kome on Saturday August 24, 2024 @09:32PM (#41343556)
that's honestly quite naive
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by tapoxi on Sunday August 25, 2024 @03:02AM (#41345082)
Yes they implemented usernames earlier this year. They are fully rolled out and don't expose your phone number.

They received $3 million from the open technology fund, which is a government sponsored fund for censorship circumvention projects. https://www.opentech.fund/about/congressional-remit/

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by dijit on Sunday August 25, 2024 @12:39AM (#41344432)
https://blog.dijit.sh/i-don-t-trust-signal/

tl;dr: Lots of claims, lots of support.. but very little to back it up once you scratch the surface.

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Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by I_am_uncreative on Saturday August 24, 2024 @07:40PM (#41342881)
Must be nice to make claims without evidence.
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by lmm on Saturday August 24, 2024 @08:43PM (#41343292)
Signal also has a long history of shitting on their competitors with extremely questionable arguments, if not quite to the same extent as Telegram. The issues at stake here are far more important. Encrypted messengers had better hang together or they will surely hang separately.
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by Canada on Sunday August 25, 2024 @02:24AM (#41344895)
Really? Examples?
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by lmm on Sunday August 25, 2024 @04:59AM (#41345721)
Look at their blog posts about PGP (one of them is pretty much "when I get a PGP-encrypted email it's always from a weirdo" - not any kind of technical argument, just a straight-up smear), or about Matrix.
Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by tekknik on Sunday August 25, 2024 @08:40AM (#41346891)
tbf how many people sign emails when they don’t work for a gov in any capacity and therefore aren’t likely a target.

people in this field tend go overboard with security when really nobody cares about what they have access to.

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by Canada on Monday August 26, 2024 @12:55PM (#41359138)
Those comments were absolutely correct. That PGP failed as a viable solution for securing email communication isn't even debatable. And you're missing the point of the argument. It is a technical argument: The UX of PGP is so bad that hardly anyone bothered to use it, and that the workflow of decrypting the rare PGP-encrypted emails he received annoyed him.

What did he have to say about Matrix?

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by utbabya on Saturday August 24, 2024 @11:18PM (#41344073)
> there is absolutely no reason for them or anyone else to back him up

If you don't uphold the principles all you have to do is wait until it bites you too.

What happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by nick486 on Sunday August 25, 2024 @09:13AM (#41347055)
>What happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Nothing. It still is the same fake Voltaire quote used to con overly idealistic adversaires into giving you some situational supprt against their better interest. No institutional actor ever followed it.

Re:Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport by TeMPOraL on Sunday August 25, 2024 @06:18AM (#41346145)
> Durov has been shilling his crypto scams

So was Moxie - or do we forget that Signal is doing cryptocurrencies too?