Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by Rastonbury on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @06:11AM
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If you count those 2 maybe but those aren't the only industrial. Residential consumption is 33% and industrial is 46% in Indonesia. The mix is similar for most countries
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1233761/indonesia-electr...
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by bobthepanda on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:47AM
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Australia famously is not a good place to manufacture anyways because the “resource curse” makes AUD expensive and exports noncompetitive.
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by worthless-trash on Thursday August 22, 2024 @02:46AM
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Can you expand on this, I don't see how it can be.
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by bobthepanda on Thursday August 22, 2024 @03:25AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease
Natural resource sales send USD to Australia. AUD is now worth more because it is backed by more USD. Manufactured exports are also traded in USD, so Australian exports become much more expensive because workers and local materials are paid for in AUD.
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by philipkglass on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:43PM
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Approximating bauxite as pure aluminum oxide [1], 40 million tons of bauxite contains about 21 million tons of aluminum. A ton of aluminum takes about 14 megawatt hours of electricity to produce [2]. That would be about 294,000,000 megawatt hours (294,000 gigawatt hours, or 294 terawatt hours) to turn Australia's bauxite exports into aluminum. Australia could easily double its electricity production/consumption to refine bauxite into aluminum metal instead of exporting the bauxite.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide#Production
[2] https://www.mining.com/web/aluminum-price-hits-13-year-high-...
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by CorrectHorseBat on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:59PM
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You're off 3 orders of magnitude, 40,000,000,000 kg x 15,000 Wh/kg = 600TWh (you likely tripped on the kt, which is 1000x1000kg, at least I did the first time I ran your numbers). That's not 0.2% of Australia's energy use but 200%.
Re:Australia approves 17-20GW solar power link to Singapore
by bigiain on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:52PM
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Ha! It figures. Further down that thread I wrote: "Also, I'm notorious for dropping three orders of magnitude when doing mental math using kilo/mega/giga/tera prefixes."
Turns out when you do the math right, Aluminium _is_ frozen electricity.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41220499
If Australia refined _all_ of the 40,000kt of Bauxite we export each year into "frozen electricity" Aluminium, that'd only require about 600GWh, or about 4% of the 1.7GW 24x7, or 15,000GWh per year this would send to Singapore.
Large datacenter are in the 100MW sort of range, so only single digit GWh per year.
Australia generates a few hundred TWh per year. 272 TWh in 2021/22 - or 272,000GWh, around 20 times what this project will export to Singapore.
Data centers and Aluminium and Iron smelters are big electricity consumers. But they barely even move the needle compared to cities with millions of households.