China's manufacturers are going broke

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by aquamar2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @09:17PM (#41279399)

Xi Jing Ping, the Chinese dictator, repeatedly threatens to take Taiwan by force. The Taiwan relations act provides Taiwan with security guarantee from US. US would need bases around Taiwan to protect Taiwan, thus the recent additional US bases in Philippines which chokes off of military maneuver from China. Also probably why China is furious and has been recently ramming filipino navy ships.

North Korea has an ongoing war with South Korea for the last half a century. There's a mutual defense treaty between South Korea and US to provide mutual aid if either faces external armed attack. North Korea also has a mutual defense treaty with China. Thus US need bases around South Korea.

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by ein0p on Saturday August 17, 2024 @10:51PM (#41279791)

> repeatedly threatens to take Taiwan by force

See, the problem with this is that he never did threaten that. It's CIA propaganda. Indeed such a threat would make zero sense even logically, since from the standpoint of China (and the US State Department) Taiwan _is_ China.

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by aquamar2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @11:01PM (#41279825)

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/China-s-party-congress/Xi-v...

Xi Jinping opened the Chinese Communist Party's twice-a-decade National Congress on Sunday by pledging to never renounce using force to take control of Taiwan

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/chinas-xi-says-outs...

Chinese President Xi Jinping has met former Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou and said that outside influence cannot stop the “family” reunion between Beijing and Taipei....Beijing views the self-ruled island as a province that must be reunited with mainland China, and it has not ruled out using force to assert its claims to Taiwan.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-calls-taiwa...

China's "reunification" with Taiwan is inevitable, President Xi Jinping said in his New Year's address on Sunday, striking a stronger tone than he did last year

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/xi-warned-biden-summit-be...

Chinese President Xi Jinping bluntly told President Joe Biden during their recent summit in San Francisco that Beijing will reunify Taiwan with mainland China but that the timing has not yet been decided

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by ein0p on Sunday August 18, 2024 @01:38AM (#41280341)

I don’t see anything in any of this that contradicts my claim, although I can see how you were misled by the wording. “Never renouncing the use of force” is not the same thing as “threatening to use force”. Put bluntly, all China has to do to reunify with Taiwan peacefully is grow its economy and wait for another decade for the bottom to fall out here in the US. And yes, it is inevitable that they will reunify, and almost certain that it’ll happen without bloodshed unless the US makes them believe unrealistic things about an island right next to an industrial colossus 60x the size being able to somehow “beat China” militarily with or without our “help”. I pray to god Taiwan doesn’t believe this because it’ll be utterly and completely destroyed otherwise. Shit the US couldn’t even beat the Taliban or Houthis. What makes anyone believe that it can even pose a significant threat on the other side of the world?

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by TeaBrain on Sunday August 18, 2024 @03:10AM (#41280701)

The idea of reunification is less popular than it's ever been in Taiwan since Taiwan's Nation Chengchi University started polling in the late 1990s. What you don't seem to understand is that unification is most supported among the older generations in Taiwan. With time, Taiwan will only become less open to the idea of reunification as the older generations die off. Currently less than 10% support the idea, down from nearly 20% two decades ago. You've likely never met a Taiwanese if you believe the Taiwanese population is open to the idea.

The US has also never engaged with the Houthis, except to protect marine shipping. There was never an attempt to "defeat" them by the US.

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by ein0p on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:19AM (#41280955)

Yes, I'm aware US propaganda can be effective. I'm talking about the post-US future, where China is the top dog. They're heading there.

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by TeaBrain on Sunday August 18, 2024 @01:21PM (#41283701)

This is more of what I'm talking about. It's evident you've never talked with a Taiwanese. The younger generations of Taiwanese don't oppose the idea of reunification because they don't like China, due to this idea of US propaganda you have, but because they don't feel Chinese, due to living independent from the PRC for their entire lives. Have you ever asked yourself why they would care to entertain the idea of "reunification" to a country they had never been a part of?

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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by TeaBrain on Sunday August 18, 2024 @03:32AM (#41280776)

The US's official public position on the One China Policy is a diplomatic front for the benefit of US relations with the PRC. The US maintains diplomatic relations with Taiwan through the American Institute in Taiwan, an organization owned by the US government and staffed by members of the state department.

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