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Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by the_sleaze_ on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:13PM (#41267676)
white moves first, in any perfect game black can only play to a draw
Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by jncfhnb on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:20PM (#41267758)
> in any perfect game black can only play to a draw

You’re making this up. Chess is not solved.

It’s also largely irrelevant to my point.

Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by bongodongobob on Friday August 16, 2024 @01:03PM (#41268209)
Nope, all the research with Stockfish et al is pointing to chess being a draw with perfect play.
Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by jncfhnb on Friday August 16, 2024 @01:05PM (#41268223)
That’s not what “prove” means and notably is not specific to black which was the more significant claim.

I think it is highly likely that perfect play results in a tie for both sides.

Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by bongodongobob on Friday August 16, 2024 @01:34PM (#41268482)
That's what a draw is my guy.
Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by jncfhnb on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:13PM (#41269425)
Yes I’m agreeing with you. But I’m saying it’s not proven and it’s not expected to be favoring either side as claimed.

Saying black can at best tie against perfect play is not the same thing as saying both players can at best tie when facing perfect play.

Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by JTBooth on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:51PM (#41268099)
You can construct counterexamples too! For example, "on your turn, say a number. First player to say a number that is double a number the other player said, wins." Is a perfect (I think you mean perfect information) game.
Re:Supporting game design with evolutionary algorithms by jncfhnb on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:54PM (#41268130)
He meant perfect play although he is not provably correct